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Old 11-24-2025, 03:32 PM   #13901
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For the record I'm completely fine with Conroy as GM, hope to god he gets extended and has the autonomy needed to do what he wants to do.

I'm just saying, is there a tremendous value add of having hockey lifers with no rings like Maloney or Nonis in that room? Do we know what Hanlon is doing in his new role as AGM? Maybe they're great guys and doing good work, genuinely don't mean this as personal attacks.

That being said, plenty of guys with a wealth of experience losing in that mix.
I would actually trust Conroy more to make decisions alone than getting advice from some of these guys. Especially after Maloney had his interview where it is clear he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
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Old 11-24-2025, 03:41 PM   #13902
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I said I was ok with the specific example I gave you.

Not yours to then just take that and paint me with "Maybe you and others are A-OK with simply making the playoffs, that’s fine if that’s the result you’ve deemed acceptable."

Not even close to what I said.

There is an evolution in team building and often the first season back in the playoffs doesn't result in a cup win or a long run, but an experience gathering session with a first round loss.
And now we’ve blurred things. How many years of mediocrity is acceptable to you as part of team building? We know the answer is at least one year, how about 2? How about 5? How about 20?

To some extent flames are where they are because of mentalities like this. Maybe it’s like Cliff said, as long as the seasons tickets are selling and the beer is flowing, that’s success.
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Old 11-24-2025, 03:41 PM   #13903
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I would actually trust Conroy more to make decisions alone than getting advice from some of these guys. Especially after Maloney had his interview where it is clear he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
Genuinely have to wonder the conversations they have.

Conroy: "Man this Stenberg kid is playing really well as well, some unreal talent high in this draft, even if we pick 3 we might get a franchise changer."

Maloney: *mid Vietnam flashback* "DYLAN STROME ONLY SCORED 7 GOALS AS A COYOTE"
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Old 11-24-2025, 03:43 PM   #13904
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I mean I know it's the internet and a sewer, but that just seems totally unnecessary.
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Old 11-24-2025, 03:44 PM   #13905
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And now we’ve blurred things. How many years of mediocrity is acceptable to you as part of team building? We know the answer is at least one year, how about 2? How about 5? How about 20?

To some extent flames are where they are because of mentalities like this. Maybe it’s like Cliff said, as long as the seasons tickets are selling and the beer is flowing, that’s success.
I haven't blurred anything.

You made a statement, I offered an example of why the statement was too black and white, you countered by doubling down on the statement.

I think every year has to be taken in context when a team is building. If you're on a path where making the playoffs and getting ousted in the first round is expected, then you're happy. But the improvement needs to ratchet up from there.
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Old 11-24-2025, 03:47 PM   #13906
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Not that previous success is the be all/end all of management but it's surprising to me how there seems to be a ton of cooks in the kitchen and yet none of them have really won anything at the NHL level.

Maloney - WCF appearance, 2010 GM of the year
Conroy - Rookie GM, some AGM experience
Nonis - Traded for Luongo in Vancouver, got the Leafs into the playoffs in 2013?
Pascall - Lots of Hockey Canada success, nothing in the NHL
Hanlon - Lots of communications success, nothing in hockey ops
Iginla - No track record

Is this really the best mix of experience that understands how to build a winner and/or a winning culture?
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The only two i trust to get this right are the 2 with almost no track record, Conroy and Iggy.

Sometimes a lot of experience isn't necessarily good experience. And sometimes people can get stuck in old ways of thinking where I think Conroy gives a fresh view point. And for someone who talks to fans as much as he does, he knows what the fans want more than the dinosaurs in the group.
Agree with the second point.

The guy I trust the least in that group is Maloney and he has the most experience and most success.

Based on how Conroy has talked about having extra picks, and how much he loves the drafts I trust he knows that's the best way to build this team.

I just don't trust the two guys above him have the patience or mindset to let that play out.
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Old 11-24-2025, 03:49 PM   #13907
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It depends how you get to the first round loss. If you're a team like Anaheim who has rebuilt and loses in the 1st round this year, the year is still overall a big success. And you have given your guys playoff experience.

If you're a vet team sneaking into 8th and then losing in the 1st round every couple years, then your organization is a failure and you should probably rebuild or retool or do something about it.
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I haven't blurred anything.

You made a statement, I offered an example of why the statement was too black and white, you countered by doubling down on the statement.

I think every year has to be taken in context when a team is building. If you're on a path where making the playoffs and getting ousted in the first round is expected, then you're happy. But the improvement needs to ratchet up from there.
Maybe you don’t feel like it, but you did muddy things up by putting in unnecessary conditions. How many years in a row of first round knockouts are acceptable? Maybe we had an up and coming roster for 2 years, so losing then is ok. Then maybe you get the injury bug for a couple years, so we can excuse those too. Then maybe your star forward bolts in free agency. The excuses really pile up quickly and now we’ve got a roster of losers 3 soon to be 4 years in a row with no elite talent among the forwards or prospects.
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Old 11-24-2025, 04:06 PM   #13909
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The Flames have been selling and accumulating draft picks and prospects for 2.5 years now. As long as they keep doing that the rest is all just noise.
But did they do it willingly or under duress? Plus it has been established that those picks and prospects do not count towards a rebuild. Also we feel like there is a chance they may be trying to compete because they made the cap floor with actual able bodied players. When you look at it that way you can see through the noise and discover they are not rebuilding.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1993077416525455428

This is a strange quote from Dreger and it did stick out to me in that episode of barnburner. Trading those two players would signal we're rebuilding in the context of this roster in my opinion. Whats his definition of full rebuild? I think most fans would be pretty happy if this were the case, who else would you need to move? Looking at the core of vets on this team you've got:

  • Kadri (hopefully moved before deadline)
  • Andersson (hopefully moved before deadline)
  • Coleman (hopefully moved before deadline, probably the "maybe some other pieces" Dreger refers to in the quote)
  • Huberdeau (not seen as a piece of the core when in contention window, but we're all aware it's a hard contract to move)
  • Weegar (Likely not being traded anytime soon, but could before end of contract + we do need some leadership on the blueline)
  • Backlund (could have been moved last season, but after signing the extension in the summer he'll likely retire a Flame. Not the end of the world IMO)

If Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman were all traded this season that would certainly move the needle enough for me to regain confidence in what direction the team is going. I don't think anyone is expecting a complete firesale and then us icing a team of u23 players.
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For the record I'm completely fine with Conroy as GM, hope to god he gets extended and has the autonomy needed to do what he wants to do.

I'm just saying, is there a tremendous value add of having hockey lifers with no rings like Maloney or Nonis in that room? Do we know what Hanlon is doing in his new role as AGM? Maybe they're great guys and doing good work, genuinely don't mean this as personal attacks.

That being said, plenty of guys with a wealth of experience losing in that mix.
Well you made a complaint, I'm interested in your solution.
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Old 11-24-2025, 05:28 PM   #13912
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Yeah, IMO moving Kadri and Andersson is enough. Bonus if Coleman.

Essentially, 2/3 of that group would be a "full rebuild" to me. You could add Huberdeau in as a 4th and say 2/4, but he's untradeable so pointless.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1993077416525455428

This is a strange quote from Dreger and it did stick out to me in that episode of barnburner. Trading those two players would signal we're rebuilding in the context of this roster in my opinion. Whats his definition of full rebuild? I think most fans would be pretty happy if this were the case, who else would you need to move? Looking at the core of vets on this team you've got:

  • Kadri (hopefully moved before deadline)
  • Andersson (hopefully moved before deadline)
  • Coleman (hopefully moved before deadline, probably the "maybe some other pieces" Dreger refers to in the quote)
  • Huberdeau (not seen as a piece of the core when in contention window, but we're all aware it's a hard contract to move)
  • Weegar (Likely not being traded anytime soon, but could before end of contract + we do need some leadership on the blueline)
  • Backlund (could have been moved last season, but after signing the extension in the summer he'll likely retire a Flame. Not the end of the world IMO)

If Kadri, Andersson, and Coleman were all traded this season that would certainly move the needle enough for me to regain confidence in what direction the team is going. I don't think anyone is expecting a complete firesale and then us icing a team of u23 players.
If Kadri, Andersson and Coleman are all moved by the deadline (and they better be) it is a rebuild.

All our other vets you can't really move anyways or won't return much with Weegar the exception. But Weegar is who Zayne said is helping him alot so keep him.
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I'm aiming low here with the hope the Flames at the very least, trade Andersson.

Anything else is a pleasant surprise.
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The Flames don't have to trade Kadri and Coleman, but if they don't then they should trade 2-3 out of Sharangovich, Zary, Frost, Farabee, and Pospisil by the start of next season.

The Flames will need a couple of spots for Honzek, and Gridin in the top 9, without playing one of Zary/Sharan on the 4th line. Klapka and Pospisil might also need some more minutes in the top 9. And we still don't know what we have in Kerins, and Stromgren.
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If Kadri, Andersson and Coleman are all moved by the deadline (and they better be) it is a rebuild.

All our other vets you can't really move anyways or won't return much with Weegar the exception. But Weegar is who Zayne said is helping him alot so keep him.
So if they move Kadri and Andersson but not Coleman it's not a re-build? What the hell is it then?
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Old 11-24-2025, 06:23 PM   #13917
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So if they move Kadri and Andersson but not Coleman it's not a re-build? What the hell is it then?
It's Toronto media not following the Flames closely enough to even have an inkling of the lineup. It's Dreger, come on.
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Old 11-24-2025, 06:36 PM   #13918
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I would rather they move Coleman over Kadri mostly because this team is full of left shot wingers and short on centers.
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If I were to predict, Andersson and Coleman are traded this year. Probably at the TDL.

The others stay to mind the kids and they come, for the most part, from winning cultures. We don't need Calgary turning into Buffalo West. So you have leftover 30-and-overs with term (and good background stories to mentor the kids with too I might add):

Kadri who likes it here and has already established himself as a leader. Cup winner experience.
Huberdeau with immovable contract but doesn't let it impact his mentality or work ethic.
Backlund who is still effective in his role and likely wants to pull a Bergeron to retire a Flame
Weegar who came from the minor leagues, can probably still contribute in a top pairing role for another 3-4 years.
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The Flames don't have to trade Kadri and Coleman, but if they don't then they should trade 2-3 out of Sharangovich, Zary, Frost, Farabee, and Pospisil by the start of next season.

The Flames will need a couple of spots for Honzek, and Gridin in the top 9, without playing one of Zary/Sharan on the 4th line. Klapka and Pospisil might also need some more minutes in the top 9. And we still don't know what we have in Kerins, and Stromgren.
Pospisil may never play a game again. Let alone for the Flames. I've heard nothing to indicate Pospisil is anywhere close to playing hockey.

The only name I'd be okay with trading that you listed is Sharangovich. Zary still has runway, Frost and Farabee are just getting going and playing good hockey. Capitalize on their play you say? Flames will also need cap moving forward and those two will fill that niche adequately.
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