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Old 11-24-2025, 11:16 AM   #13841
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And what if deals of that quality simply are not on the table?
Oh absolutely no argument.... if it were easy we would all do it. Those are just examples of course, only thing we can all be sure of (outside of the insiders) is that we are all 100% wrong.

The point was that those types of deals should be pursued, and it is quite possible CC is doing so. There is just always that level of uncertainty when you here words from Maloney and feedback from the media around Edwards getting involved.

They say that championship teams are built from the crease out. I think we have a real good piece in Wolf and a couple nice prospects on the blue line, but high-end elite forwards almost always need to be drafted.
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Old 11-24-2025, 11:17 AM   #13842
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So do the posters who wanted to trade Andersson for a late 2nd and a late 3rd still want the Flames to sell low on him?
It is important to note that Friedman was stating that there hasn’t been a single offer on Kadri, Coleman or Andersson this season that made them pause for even one second. They are getting lowballed.

Nothing would be more frustrating to see this team claw there way from the bottom to be in a spot to draft 8-12 in the first round.

Andersson is playing great right now so he is only helping his chances of a big payday and the flames chances for a good return.
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Old 11-24-2025, 11:29 AM   #13843
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It is important to note that Friedman was stating that there hasn’t been a single offer on Kadri, Coleman or Andersson this season that made them pause for even one second. They are getting lowballed.

Nothing would be more frustrating to see this team claw there way from the bottom to be in a spot to draft 8-12 in the first round.

Andersson is playing great right now so he is only helping his chances of a big payday and the flames chances for a good return.
He also mentioned that being the case for Weegar.
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Old 11-24-2025, 11:31 AM   #13844
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He alsoooo mentioned no vets have asked out. The players asking out would change things. Which shows me they are reactive and not proactive. Afraid of anyone wanting out and the image there.
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Old 11-24-2025, 11:44 AM   #13845
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I am done beating this drum, and it appears that flames management have finally convinced more of you to believe what they are saying. We are not going to get a rebuild. The best course of action would be turn into the slide and trade Rasmus/ Kadri before christmas. It won't happen, we will crawl back up to mid standing, and we will be spinning our tires again. C'est la vie.
Do we really need to go through the actions of the team and why they are essentially in a rebuild already again?

Really?

You must see at least a shade of grey right?
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Old 11-24-2025, 11:45 AM   #13846
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In my opinion there’s no emotional difference between missing the playoffs and getting pumped in the first round. Making the playoffs is pointless if you don’t have the talent to win at least a round.
Not me.

A great team that loses in a the first round has a wasted season.

But an upstart team that makes the playoffs for the first time in 6 years and loses in the first round is a blast.
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Old 11-24-2025, 11:53 AM   #13847
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Do we really need to go through the actions of the team and why they are essentially in a rebuild already again?

Really?

You must see at least a shade of grey right?
Did you not watch the Maloney interview?

They are not doing a rebuild. They are being forced into moves they don't want to make/ don't believe in.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:02 PM   #13848
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Did you not watch the Maloney interview?

They are not doing a rebuild. They are being forced into moves they don't want to make/ don't believe in.
That's the public message. They're not going to put a "Fire Sale" sign out when they are already getting lowball offers.

Anyone in the Flames' organization is tradeable if the price is right. The Flames are betting that someone will meet their price for Andersson, and they certainly won't say no to offers they can't refuse for anyone else. You don't devalue assets in the hope of winning the turtle race, because you don't know how a trade will affect the team's performance. Do you remember Nashville making the playoffs unexpectedly after trading off a bunch of vets? You need to maximize the value of every asset, particularly the ones you are trying to sell.

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Old 11-24-2025, 12:05 PM   #13849
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It is important to note that Friedman was stating that there hasn’t been a single offer on Kadri, Coleman or Andersson this season that made them pause for even one second. They are getting lowballed.
This point, from what I've heard on the inside is a bit misleading which bother's me slightly.

They aren't getting a lot of quality calls because they haven't formally made any player available, teams have no sense that these guys are 100% available right now.

Of course teams can send you a formal offer regardless of availability, I understand that completely. But if the Flames were honest with themselves and told teams that they were willing to listen on serious offers, I fully expect they would get some quality ones.

That's my issue currently with the whole situation.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:06 PM   #13850
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Did you not watch the Maloney interview?

They are not doing a rebuild. They are being forced into moves they don't want to make/ don't believe in.
a. That's just spin trying to preserve ticket sales.

b. Who cares if they are forced into it? The result is the same. There are very few teams that wanted to rebuild and even fewer that announced a desire to tank.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:09 PM   #13851
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The daily battle between the team tank group and team Ted Lasso fans should be fun til the TDL when we find out who's right
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:14 PM   #13852
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It is important to note that Friedman was stating that there hasn’t been a single offer on Kadri, Coleman or Andersson this season that made them pause for even one second. They are getting lowballed.

Nothing would be more frustrating to see this team claw there way from the bottom to be in a spot to draft 8-12 in the first round.

Andersson is playing great right now so he is only helping his chances of a big payday and the flames chances for a good return.
What about the Anderson to LA offer? Or is that not considered "this season"?
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Maloney is not capable of spinning things, lol.

Whatever, I am not interested in engaging in this exact same debate over. More evidence has come up (by an order of magnitude) that what I am saying is correct, it doesn't matter if we agree on that or not tbh.

I would say there's a 50% chance at BEST right now that the flames trade Andersson before the TDL.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:16 PM   #13854
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He alsoooo mentioned no vets have asked out. The players asking out would change things. Which shows me they are reactive and not proactive. Afraid of anyone wanting out and the image there.
Which is kind of funny. After the exodus a few seasons ago, they are so worried about the optics of players publicly wanting out that they are afraid to trade players that want to stay. But if the team stays bad, it's only a matter of time until those players ask to be traded. They'd be better off getting in front of it now.

Having said that, trades are pretty rare this time of year and I just don't think the potential dance partners are ready. There is little to gain by saying certain players on the block right now.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:16 PM   #13855
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What about the Anderson to LA offer? Or is that not considered "this season"?
It's kinda moot isn't b/c they offered that if Anderson was open to re-signing there. Which he isn't.
And I think the offer was meh, as it involved a goalie (Carter George) and maybe a 1st on top of that.

Edit: and at least in terms of the Friedman discussion, it seems like he was mainly referring to the quality of offers right now.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:19 PM   #13856
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What about the Anderson to LA offer? Or is that not considered "this season"?
I think that it was blocked because Andersson wouldn’t extend?

There was a rumor he turned down a deal to Buffalo as well for Byram in the summer
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:26 PM   #13857
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a. That's just spin trying to preserve ticket sales.

b. Who cares if they are forced into it? The result is the same. There are very few teams that wanted to rebuild and even fewer that announced a desire to tank.
I don't really care if it's A, aside from the fact that I don't love being lied to. If it's B, then I think their desire to hold on to vets would result in a more prolonged rebuild, or one that doesn't quite have the assets to contend.

In my mind even if you don't win a cup, a successful rebuild ends with at least 5 seasons with titles - Division, Conference, President Trophy, and/or attending the Conference Final. The previous rebuild resulted in 2: 1 x 1st in the West and 1 x 1st in the Pacific.
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:27 PM   #13858
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Not me.

A great team that loses in a the first round has a wasted season.

But an upstart team that makes the playoffs for the first time in 6 years and loses in the first round is a blast.
Hard disagree there, a first round flop is still a disappointment no matter the context. The benefit to a hypothetical upstart team is that you hope the players improve and grow into a stronger team the next season, something the flames have been incapable of for literal decades.
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How can we know that there is low ball offers only if we haven't made the players available. According to multiple media sources, we haven't even made Kadri or Coleman available.

This is absolutely bananas that the message is we will essentially not trade any vets unless they ask out. Like what kind of plan is that?
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Old 11-24-2025, 12:30 PM   #13860
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If the Flames were to extend Rasmus Andersson, I don't think this would be the end of the world. I'm preparing myself for this possibility. He's still got 5-6 good years in him
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