[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[Nelson]

Don Maloney should not do interviews, and I don’t know what value he adds to the Flames.

However, the Flames’ ability to be good at ice hockey in the future has not been harmed. I will wait to see how they deal with Andersson, Kadri and Coleman, before I decide how to feel. As of now, I’m holding onto hope that Don’s words do not represent the team’s plans.

…But I do find it concerning that Don is talking so much, since Conroy doesn’t have a contract for future seasons. Previously, it seemed like Conroy was the spokesperson for the team. He would do things like interviews between periods. Now, it’s Don.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I won’t lose sleep over any of it but we differ around the importance of a Kadri deal. His value will not get any higher and Conroy needs to extract the biggest return possible this season. Come out of the blocks next season with a team centered around your new top pick, Parekh, Coronato, Gridin and Wolf. With several more strong prospects in the pipeline. That might get fans excited even as the team struggles.

I don’t disagree the team is rebuilding currently, but I’d like to see them move faster.

If we hear that no one blew away the flames with an offer for some of the veterans it will be an opportunity lost IMO.

Thing is, someone has to play centre with your talented kids. So if they trade for Kadri they need someone between a McKenna and a Gridin.

And his value might get higher. It's all about the market. But relax - it's November. Kadri's value now is for sure not as much as at the TDL.

[bluejays]

I suppose the only positive here is this was likely one interview broken into two parts.


In any case, DM calling Conroy's job good, while Huska's great, may have been simple speak but it certainly seems like DM is holding his hands close to his chest. One thing concerning to perhaps keep an eye on was their interest in Shanahan back in the day. Shanahan had a philosophy that once a rebuild was done they moved into another phase. In the process he fired Lamorillo and made Dubas the man. I hadn't heard of this philosophy before but if he pitched a similar thing to ownership and it stuck as an idea, perhaps they want Conroy for that foundational piece but don't have an interest in keeping him on beyond that? Just something that came to my mind. I'm pleased with Conroy's approach here. This is the year I'm actually optimistic for a change. Maloney's interview on behalf of ownership really is bothersome. I hope they don't actually believe what they're saying. Surely they can't be this daft.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Disagree. You know CP is really cooking when someone on FOI starts defending Nazis for no reason.

Let’s ride!

At least the Nazis would definitely trade Kadri

[Calgary Highlander]

These are all of the vets that Conroy has turned into picks and prospects. This is a rebuild. The fans need to relax and have Conniefidence... and Maloney needs to shut up and stay out of the media.

Markstrom -> Bahl + Reschny
Hanifin --> Zarubin + 2026 1st
Mangiapane --> Stockselius
Tanev --> Grushnikov
Toffoli --> Suniev
Lindholm --> Brustewicz + Gridin
Zadorov --> 2026 3rd

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

At least the Nazis would definitely trade Kadri

They also pioneered training and camp

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

These are all of the vets that Conroy has turned into picks and prospects. This is a rebuild. The fans need to relax and have Conniefidence... and Maloney needs to shut up and stay out of the media.

Markstrom -> Bahl + Reschny
Hanifin --> Zarubin + 2026 1st
Mangiapane --> Stockselius
Tanev --> Grushnikov
Toffoli --> Suniev
Lindholm --> Brustewicz + Gridin
Zadorov --> 2026 3rd

The actions say massive rebuild but what do their words say?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

These are all of the vets that Conroy has turned into picks and prospects. This is a rebuild. The fans need to relax and have Conniefidence... and Maloney needs to shut up and stay out of the media.

Markstrom -> Bahl + Reschny
Hanifin --> Zarubin + 2026 1st
Mangiapane --> Stockselius
Tanev --> Grushnikov
Toffoli --> Suniev
Lindholm --> Brustewicz + Gridin
Zadorov --> 2026 3rd

BuT He WaS FoRcEd To TrAdE ThEm.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The actions say massive rebuild but what do their words say?

Originally Posted by GioforPM

BuT He WaS FoRcEd To TrAdE ThEm.

For the most part their actions say "we will trade players once they have 1 year left on their contract if we feel they aren't going to be able to re-sign them or don't want to re-sign them"

Trade Coleman and Kadri this year and prove it's actually different

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For the most part their actions say "we will trade players once they have 1 year left on their contract if we feel they aren't going to be able to re-sign them or don't want to re-sign them"

Trade Coleman and Kadri this year and prove it's actually different

Most teams trade their vets only the last year. Yes there are exceptions, and the Flames have some as well in the last three years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

For the most part their actions say "we will trade players once they have 1 year left on their contract if we feel they aren't going to be able to re-sign them or don't want to re-sign them"

Trade Coleman and Kadri this year and prove it's actually different

Coleman only has one year left on his contract after this year. Similar to Mangiapane and Toffoli that way.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Most teams trade their vets only the last year. Yes there are exceptions, and the Flames have some as well in the last three years.

Lots of teams trade them sooner and I've provided lots of examples of other rebuilding teams doing that with pieces younger than Coleman and Kadri.

Flames could easily move these guys, they choose not to.

[GioforPM]

Honestly, even if they are forced, who cares as long as they get some picks (they are never going to be high ones) and finish at the bottom?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lots of teams trade them sooner and I've provided lots of examples of other rebuilding teams doing that with pieces younger than Coleman and Kadri.

Flames could easily move these guys, they choose not to.

The examples you showed are exceptions to the rule. And the Flames have them as well. You keep ignoring them but they are there.

Plus if the Flames really wanted to they could have kept many of the ones they were “forced” to trade. They had cap room to overpay.

[ComixZone]

Fans defending the Flames effectively comes down to:

“The Flames are not complete morons”

It takes bold moves and excellent management to build a Championship quality team. Perhaps expectations should be raised?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is, someone has to play centre with your talented kids. So if they trade for Kadri they need someone between a McKenna and a Gridin.

And his value might get higher. It's all about the market. But relax - it's November. Kadri's value now is for sure not as much as at the TDL.

That highlights more where we are different. I’m not stressed at all about needing Kadri because of his position. Especially for a hypothetical line, where one linemate hasn’t been drafted and the other may not even play with him.

They really need to stay focused on the big picture.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lots of teams trade them sooner and I've provided lots of examples of other rebuilding teams doing that with pieces younger than Coleman and Kadri.

Flames could easily move these guys, they choose not to.

Wolf is almost as old as some of the examples you have cited, maybe trade him. Flames don’t have a lot of 25-30 year olds that you have cited to trade and the ones they had (Hanifin, Mangiapane, Zadorov, Lindholm) they have already traded. Options in the age range you have cited are - Rasmus, Bahl, Farabee, Frost, bean, Sharangovich, Pachal). Suspect they will trade a few of them in the next couple years.

[getbak]

Conroy and Maloney are playing the old car salesman game.

"Hey, my contract is up and my ass is on the line here if I don't get a good deal. You know my boss doesn't want to part with this mint-condition Kadri, but give me the right offer and I think I can convince him."

[GioforPM]

https://flamesnation.ca/news/i-wante...calgary-flames

https://www.nhl.com/news/elias-lindh...calgary-flames

https://www.nhl.com/news/calgary-fla...shar-345054908

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Wolf is almost as old as some of the examples you have cited, maybe trade him. Flames don’t have a lot of 25-30 year olds that you have cited to trade and the ones they had (Hanifin, Mangiapane, Zadorov, Lindholm) they have already traded. Options in the age range you have cited are - Rasmus, Bahl, Farabee, Frost, bean, Sharangovich, Pachal). Suspect they will trade a few of them in the next couple years.

There aren't many players that still have value in their mid 30s for rebuilding teams to be able to move.

Which is even more reason to jump all over it now while these players still have value.

If these guys were career Flames then I'd get it, much like I do for Backlund. Those types of guys if they want to spend their entire career with one organization you respect that.

But Kadri and Coleman signed here as UFAs, not because they had some amazing connection to the organization but because they thought you could win and you offered more money than other teams.

You can treat them with respect but you shouldn't be too emotionally attached to them, especially once they are 35+ years old.