Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[TheScorpion]

I will readily admit to getting kickbacks for all my posts directly from David Jones's agent.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Murray Edwards is a CDC paste-eating troll! Who knew?

is it any surprise how me also destroyed that franchise.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Good grief, you want me to go back and find all the posts that accuse people of being uncritical of management to the point of being shills?

Those two posts were literally in the last 24 hours or so. There's lots more. They don't include you.

But, yeah, if I think people are getting too heated about little snippets third hand info, and treating them like facts carved in stone, I'm going to say so. They aren't just "expressing disappointment". They are making broad assumptions without a factual basis, and ignoring the actual things the club has done. In a situation where the club is exactly where they want it to be.

Gio, you have to understand: It’s fine to critique. But it’s not OK to critique the critics. Because of this, it’s actually quite fine to critique the critics critiquing the critics, however, prepare for some critique from the critics critiquing the critics critiquing the critics about how the critics critiquing the critics critiquing the critics critiquing the critics are in the wrong.

I worked with SB and a few others on this chart, should clear things up:
Critics - A noble pursuit
Critics critiquing the critics - Low brow, classless, and how dare you?
Critics critiquing the critics critiquing the critics - Righteous, doing God’s work. Nuanced and interesting.
Critics critiquing the critics critiquing the critics critiquing the critics - Um, not so fast loser, you didn’t understand the nuance.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I will readily admit to getting kickbacks for all my posts directly from David Jones's agent.

You were on Meruelo's payroll too weren't you?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

You were on Meruelo's payroll too weren't you?

I don't think Meruelo paid anyone

[The Yen Man]

Getting back on topic, I agree with everything Boomer said today. The reason why the Maloney interview rubbed everyone the wrong way was because it just felt like they were bullshirting and belittling our intelligence. It was the "we know better than you guys" type of attitude that pissed everyone off.

I'll tell you what won't sell tickets. A management group who treats their fans collective intelligence like garbage.

[saillias]

Rhett picked up the mantle from Boomer's rant today, the conversation with Dreger set him off. Dreger came on and repeated a bunch of the same arguments we've heard/had before. What Canadian markets can and can't do. What Calgary fans are willing to accept, what the Calgary fanbase is willing to spend money on, and he keeps referencing this interview he did with Winnipeg ownership as an example of why Calgary can't. He really likes to bring up the new arena as well - that's my least favourite argument the anti-rebuild side makes. I understand the others but this one just seems not well thought out. New arena coming in 2 years means you have to just hold status quo?? what?!

Good conversation though with pushback from the crew.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by saillias

Rhett picked up the mantle from Boomer's rant today, the conversation with Dreger set him off. Dreger came on and repeated a bunch of the same arguments we've heard/had before. What Canadian markets can and can't do. What Calgary fans are willing to accept, what the Calgary fanbase is willing to spend money on, and he keeps referencing this interview he did with Winnipeg ownership as an example of why Calgary can't. He really likes to bring up the new arena as well - that's my least favourite argument the anti-rebuild side makes. I understand the others but this one just seems not well thought out. New arena coming in 2 years means you have to just hold status quo?? what?!

Good conversation though with pushback from the crew.

Who is the anti-rebuild side? I tend to think they are a straw man.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Who is the anti-rebuild side?

The globalists.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Who is the anti-rebuild side? I tend to think they are a straw man.

Probably meant to say anti-tank crowd.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Getting back on topic, I agree with everything Boomer said today. The reason why the Maloney interview rubbed everyone the wrong way was because it just felt like they were bullshirting and belittling our intelligence. It was the "we know better than you guys" type of attitude that pissed everyone off.

I'll tell you what won't sell tickets. A management group who treats their fans collective intelligence like garbage.

100%

While I personally didn't buy any of it, it was certainly a ham handed mess.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Probably meant to say anti-tank crowd.

I don't even know that there's an anti-tank crowd. There are people who don't cheer for losses (but they mostly accept them and are just more happy about the odd win).

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by saillias

Rhett picked up the mantle from Boomer's rant today, the conversation with Dreger set him off. Dreger came on and repeated a bunch of the same arguments we've heard/had before. What Canadian markets can and can't do. What Calgary fans are willing to accept, what the Calgary fanbase is willing to spend money on, and he keeps referencing this interview he did with Winnipeg ownership as an example of why Calgary can't. He really likes to bring up the new arena as well - that's my least favourite argument the anti-rebuild side makes. I understand the others but this one just seems not well thought out. New arena coming in 2 years means you have to just hold status quo?? what?!

Good conversation though with pushback from the crew.

Guys like Dreger are ready tea leaves. They are trying to engage fans like us, while spinning things for the NHL teams front offices the best way possible in order to burn bridges.

He said so himself, that he would never navigate around a GM in order to get an quote from someone higher up the chain (PoHO or ownership for example).

So really, the slight of hand stuff in the media and what Dreger is doing are parts of the same thing, serving the same master, targeting a specific audience (not us).

I think we are too close to this team and don't realize how many ticket holders don't really care that much about the nitty gritty Flames details. This stuff is meant for them. They hear it, accept it and move on. Keep buying tickets. Maybe Flames will be better soon. If you like sporting events, what else is there to see (really)?

As others keep saying, judge the Flames on their actions.

If the TDL goes by without any moves, then flame away as it will be warranted.

[Rhett44]

I'm still trying to figure out what Maloney said that set this off. He didn't inspire a ton of confidence, but I think even a rebuilding team would not come out and say "we are about to blow this up and trade Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson. This team is terrible".

Should he have said maybe "we are open for business" or something to that effect? Probably. But what exactly do fans want him to say?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm still trying to figure out what Maloney said that set this off. He didn't inspire a ton of confidence, but I think even a rebuilding team would not come out and say "we are about to blow this up and trade Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson. This team is terrible".

Should he have said maybe "we are open for business" or something to that effect? Probably. But what exactly do fans want him to say?

Well he would have been better saying nothing.
It was a bubbling mess that didn't inspire confidence. I found the fact he said re-build and then corrected himself funny, but it also rightly showed the silliness of the org to avoid the word publicly.
And it could also have been interpreted to be a sign that the organization still lacks decisive direction.

It wasn't a clear or confident message.

So that left everyone to interpret it in their own way.

Just an unforced error. Ultimately I don't take much from it. I just think it was a mess and really poorly done.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think this notion that CP is representative of some small niche nerd superfan group is way off base.

1. There’s probably WAY MORE lurkers than there are posters- it’s not like this place is overly welcome to counter opinions

2. I have talked to many random people who know CP- like honestly I’d argue the majority of Flames fans. This site was made what- 20-30 yrs ago?

3. Of the small subset that do come around CP, there’s a huge other contingent of Flames fans that absolutely will share the opinions of those in this thread asking the organization to just be honest about the rebuild.

I could go on but this isn’t just some small niche group of blindly loyal Flames fans. I bet you the opinions spouted here are way more representative of the overall fanbase.

I haven’t followed the Flames much or passionately this year not because they are bad, but because nothing is new. They have not publicly stated they’re going in a new direction and I can’t support that anymore. IMO it’s put up or shut up time. Announce you’re in a ####ing rebuild. It’s not that hard. It’s become beyond idiotic not to.

I had a beer with a guy yesterday who knows a Flames management person. They literally could get fired for saying rebuild or Gavin McKenna. Nobody is allowed. How stupid is that?

Last- anyone that has done business with CNRL knows exactly what management of this team is up against. It’s not good. He approves absolutely everything. There’s no autonomy when it comes to having Edwards as your boss. The folks at CNQ can’t buy a section of land without him knowing for Christ sakes. So there’s not a god damn chance in hell that multimillion dollar assets (players) are being traded without his approval. Zero. He’s the one causing all of this mess. All of it.

I find the bolded extremely hard to believe.

The underlined is hyperbole.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I find the bolded extremely hard to believe.

The underlined is hyperbole.

You need a second account "I am not Murray Edwards"

Joking haha.

[Buff]

Rebuild.

Not a rebuild.

Who cares what we call it? Take a look at what the Flames are doing and come to your own conclusions. Why are we so hung up on the Flames not willing to put a label on their current situation?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm still trying to figure out what Maloney said that set this off. He didn't inspire a ton of confidence, but I think even a rebuilding team would not come out and say "we are about to blow this up and trade Kadri, Coleman, and Andersson. This team is terrible".

Should he have said maybe "we are open for business" or something to that effect? Probably. But what exactly do fans want him to say?

Honestly, he should have just not taken that interview.

If he were forced to, I think if Maloney simply stated something along the lines of:

"I understand the fans frustrations, we are also disappointed how the season's started so far, and we believe the team can play better. We are always evaluating the team for long term success, and making the team better overall. So no options are off the table".

I think that would have at least settled the masses down a little.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I will readily admit to getting kickbacks for all my posts directly from David Jones's agent.

It's crazy seeing how much you've changed from your beginnings. /s