Not at all. Although I am a Conservative (didn't vote UCP last election) I never believe in directing full blame for everything to voters. Heck even most people in politics at the local and federal level are not even to blame, it's the inner circle and the power brokers.
Yes the UCP is not doing well at all, I have expressed serious reservations and concern to friends of mine in cabinet.
Most voters of any party usually just vote for an issue or two or go with a candidate that happened to stop by their home , business or gathering space.
Only the people who are really into politics, policy and the inner dealings really pay attention. The NDP lead by Singh was beyond a disaster and a sad sack of patheticness during his entire tenure. How many voters in Alberta and Canada would make the connection that the AB NDP and feds are really different? How many people knew that the BC Liberals are effectively a conservative party?
I am old school and prefer to go after politicians as opposed to going after voters
What a joke. Everything the UCP are doing you were told they were going to do. Most people who voted for the UCP couldn't even tell you why they voted that way other than they believe orange team = bad.
You're absolutely correct, many Albertans are far too ignorant about politics to know who they were voting for, or voting against.
Even with all the absolutely terrible things the UCP are doing, they will probably still win because this province is full of whiners who think everyone is out to get them. It's been that way since the 80s. The crying here never ever stops.
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Unsurprisingly, not a peep of this news on the second use of the NWC anywhere on calgaryherald.com right now lol
That's outrageous.
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Tab for the Dynalife fiasco put at over $100M. That's a lot of lightbulbs.
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Among the key findings in the report:
Minimal records were kept of important discussions between AHS executives, the minister and the health department —including those where key decisions were made.
Neither AHS, nor the department, followed its own processes to prepare a business case for outsourcing community laboratory services.
AHS continued with the procurement despite knowing that the goal of cost savings was likely unattainable. AHS did not evaluate the assumptions and accuracy of DynaLife’s financial proposals.
Between 2013 and 2023, Alberta taxpayers paid $125 million in incremental costs for government-initiated laboratory procurements that were either abandoned or unsuccessful.
Not at all. Although I am a Conservative (didn't vote UCP last election) I never believe in directing full blame for everything to voters. Heck even most people in politics at the local and federal level are not even to blame, it's the inner circle and the power brokers.
Yes the UCP is not doing well at all, I have expressed serious reservations and concern to friends of mine in cabinet.
Most voters of any party usually just vote for an issue or two or go with a candidate that happened to stop by their home , business or gathering space.
Only the people who are really into politics, policy and the inner dealings really pay attention. The NDP lead by Singh was beyond a disaster and a sad sack of patheticness during his entire tenure. How many voters in Alberta and Canada would make the connection that the AB NDP and feds are really different? How many people knew that the BC Liberals are effectively a conservative party?
I am old school and prefer to go after politicians as opposed to going after voters
Unsurprisingly, not a peep of this news on the second use of the NWC anywhere on calgaryherald.com right now lol
There is one now, but you have to go to Local News and scroll waaaaayyyy down to find it. It was on the main page this morning but the lead was about the ‘recall Gondek’ councillor. It’s insane that this isn’t the headline. Insane but yes, completely unsurprising.
They told us, straight out of the box, they were all these things and more. Ignorance isn't an excuse. This is entirely at the feet of UCP voters.
When I say people need to hold politicians accountable, they need to hold them accountable in all forms. Blaming random voters for whatever (insert political party anywhere) is the lazy excuse. I assume you may hold an investment portfolio with publicly traded investments. Wither you choose to vote or not at AGM does not make you responsible for decisions being made by a corporation.
Just because people vote for parties doesn't mean that the voters are responsible through and through. The shoe goes on the other foot. I know this is a provincial politics thread, but was EVERYONE who voted for Gondek responsible for law, order, crime, inflation, Covid policies, water main breaks and more? Was she? Federal Liberals under Trudeau voted for strict environmental policies, Carney seems to be backing away from that in a massive way. Is it safe to say that Liberal voters in Canada are responsible for environmental destruction? Are Liberal voters fully responsible for the waste, theft, fraud and corruption? Should we be holding YOU responsible if you voted Liberal?
When I say people need to hold politicians accountable, they need to hold them accountable in all forms. Blaming random voters for whatever (insert political party anywhere) is the lazy excuse. I assume you may hold an investment portfolio with publicly traded investments. Wither you choose to vote or not at AGM does not make you responsible for decisions being made by a corporation.
Just because people vote for parties doesn't mean that the voters are responsible through and through. The shoe goes on the other foot. I know this is a provincial politics thread, but was EVERYONE who voted for Gondek responsible for law, order, crime, inflation, Covid policies, water main breaks and more? Was she? Federal Liberals under Trudeau voted for strict environmental policies, Carney seems to be backing away from that in a massive way. Is it safe to say that Liberal voters in Canada are responsible for environmental destruction? Are Liberal voters fully responsible for the waste, theft, fraud and corruption? Should we be holding YOU responsible if you voted Liberal?
I am saying this as someone who DID NOT vote UCP
I'm sorry you are having trouble understanding this, but I sure don't have the patience to help.
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When I say people need to hold politicians accountable, they need to hold them accountable in all forms. Blaming random voters for whatever (insert political party anywhere) is the lazy excuse. I assume you may hold an investment portfolio with publicly traded investments. Wither you choose to vote or not at AGM does not make you responsible for decisions being made by a corporation.
Just because people vote for parties doesn't mean that the voters are responsible through and through. The shoe goes on the other foot. I know this is a provincial politics thread, but was EVERYONE who voted for Gondek responsible for law, order, crime, inflation, Covid policies, water main breaks and more? Was she? Federal Liberals under Trudeau voted for strict environmental policies, Carney seems to be backing away from that in a massive way. Is it safe to say that Liberal voters in Canada are responsible for environmental destruction? Are Liberal voters fully responsible for the waste, theft, fraud and corruption? Should we be holding YOU responsible if you voted Liberal?
I am saying this as someone who DID NOT vote UCP
Yeah... it kinda does. If you vote in a board that you know is going to bad for the company, and then the company tanks, people that voted for that board can absolutely be held accountable, at least by their fellow shareholders via derision. You don't get to plead ignorance about the party you voted for, sorry. You can say you disagree with something someone you voted for is doing. That's okay. Especially if it's something they did not campaign on, or even against. If what they are doing was explicitly what they campaigned on, wear it.
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Yeah... it kinda does. If you vote in a board that you know is going to bad for the company, and then the company tanks, people that voted for that board can absolutely be held accountable, at least by their fellow shareholders via derision. You don't get to plead ignorance about the party you voted for, sorry. You can say you disagree with something someone you voted for is doing. That's okay. Especially if it's something they did not campaign on, or even against. If what they are doing was explicitly what they campaigned on, wear it.
The thing with a stock is you can always sell it if the board is going a direction you don't like. It's pretty low stakes and easy to abandon. It's not like moving provinces when your leader decides to destroy education, healthcare, the environment, pieces of the economy, and your rights, and say they have the will of the people behind them to justify it. You know, the people who voted for them. Who are responsible.
Oh goddamit, here I am again.
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The thing with a stock is you can always sell it if the board is going a direction you don't like. It's pretty low stakes and easy to abandon. It's not like moving provinces when your leader decides to destroy education, healthcare, the environment, pieces of the economy, and your rights, and say they have the will of the people behind them to justify it. You know, the people who voted for them. Who are responsible.
Oh goddamit, here I am again.
Yeah overall the comparisons of governments to how businesses are run usually fall apart fast. They don't run the same by a function of their foundational purpose. One is to create profit for shareholders. One is to SERVE THE F***ING PEOPLE.
I wish I still lived in AB so I could be making a bigger proper fuss about this. The whole "Next Motherf***er" thing should be co-opted and printed on protest signs. Yeah, I'm the Next Motherf***er man. We're all the Next Motherf***er.
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When I say people need to hold politicians accountable, they need to hold them accountable in all forms. Blaming random voters for whatever (insert political party anywhere) is the lazy excuse. I assume you may hold an investment portfolio with publicly traded investments. Wither you choose to vote or not at AGM does not make you responsible for decisions being made by a corporation.
Just because people vote for parties doesn't mean that the voters are responsible through and through. The shoe goes on the other foot. I know this is a provincial politics thread, but was EVERYONE who voted for Gondek responsible for law, order, crime, inflation, Covid policies, water main breaks and more? Was she? Federal Liberals under Trudeau voted for strict environmental policies, Carney seems to be backing away from that in a massive way. Is it safe to say that Liberal voters in Canada are responsible for environmental destruction? Are Liberal voters fully responsible for the waste, theft, fraud and corruption? Should we be holding YOU responsible if you voted Liberal?
If a party has a clear record, clear signals, and a consistent pattern of behaviour, voters cannot pretend those outcomes were unforeseeable. The criticism is not that voters caused the decisions directly, but that they knowingly supported politicians who were likely to produce those outcomes. Though that is not formal responsibility, I cannot think of a more real example of civic responsibility.
Your examples actually underline my point. If someone votes for a candidate with no history of mismanagement, and the candidate later stumbles, blaming voters is weak. But when a party has a long, public track record of incompetence, corruption, or harmful policies, and voters support them anyway, it is reasonable to place blame on the judgement of those voters. Elections are collective, but votes are individual, and if someone repeatedly supports politicians who repeatedly cause predictable damage, they are part of the problem because they help keep those politicians in power.
The issue is not whether voters deserve blanket blame for every outcome. The issue is whether a given politician's / party's behaviour was predictable based on what the voter already knew. If it was, then yes, those voters share responsibility for choosing them again and putting us in this f-cking mess.
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