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Old 11-19-2025, 08:22 AM   #13141
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People are pissed off by the media narrative being portrayed and want a trade as a light at the end of the tunnel to discredit said media narrative.

We are not in a rush for trades sake, we want direction. We want confirmation of progress forward. We want optimism that this time it is finally is different.

Fans want hope. Not this roller coaster.
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Old 11-19-2025, 08:23 AM   #13142
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What cant be forgotten here is that teams are trying to prey on Calgary's desperation and desire to "run it back" in terms of turning it around.

So teams (Toronto most recently) thinking they can try and catch Conny slipping by offering up "hockey trades" which do nothing to make the Flames better.

From everything I've heard, Conroy has the greenlight to make this team better for the future and I fully suspect he's set his price and isn't going to waiver just because the team is faltering. If a team had a great offer on the table right now for just about any guy, I'd argue it would be a done deal.

So while I know we all want these guys traded, and we would love to see some action I think we need to put a little bit of faith in Craig and let him cook on the offers. I fully expect there to be multiple moves this year, we just cant rush to have this done mid November when teams are circling Calgary like sharks hoping we panic.
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Old 11-19-2025, 08:43 AM   #13143
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What cant be forgotten here is that teams are trying to prey on Calgary's desperation and desire to "run it back" in terms of turning it around.

So teams (Toronto most recently) thinking they can try and catch Conny slipping by offering up "hockey trades" which do nothing to make the Flames better.
Isn't it partially telling the former GM thinks the Flames might be looking for a hockey trade despite being in last place ?
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Old 11-19-2025, 08:56 AM   #13144
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Isn't it partially telling the former GM thinks the Flames might be looking for a hockey trade despite being in last place ?
Or, it's just his MO. It's who Treliving is.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:06 AM   #13145
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Isn't it partially telling the former GM thinks the Flames might be looking for a hockey trade despite being in last place ?
Even Murray isn't that stupid at this point, thankfully. Because of this team was in the playoff hunt it could be a possibility
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:09 AM   #13146
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People are pissed off by the media narrative being portrayed and want a trade as a light at the end of the tunnel to discredit said media narrative.

We are not in a rush for trades sake, we want direction. We want confirmation of progress forward. We want optimism that this time it is finally is different.

Fans want hope. Not this roller coaster.
It is not a roller coaster lol.

People going ditch to ditch with every tweet, reel, story, whatever are doing it to themselves. It’s entirely self inflicted. Trades are exciting and this team as it is, isn’t doing anything, so trades at this point are really the only hope for change. It makes sense to hinge so much on them.

But the reality is we don’t know who could be traded, what their value is (less than we think, almost certainly), or what the impact on the team could be (this wouldn’t be the first time a team traded vets and actually got better, careful what you wish for).

As EE said, we’ve only just passed the half way point of November and people are on a cycle of 5-6 post rants about the same thing every week when some new tweet drops. It’s not a roller coaster. Y’all gotta relax.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:09 AM   #13147
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What cant be forgotten here is that teams are trying to prey on Calgary's desperation and desire to "run it back" in terms of turning it around.

So teams (Toronto most recently) thinking they can try and catch Conny slipping by offering up "hockey trades" which do nothing to make the Flames better.

From everything I've heard, Conroy has the greenlight to make this team better for the future and I fully suspect he's set his price and isn't going to waiver just because the team is faltering. If a team had a great offer on the table right now for just about any guy, I'd argue it would be a done deal.

So while I know we all want these guys traded, and we would love to see some action I think we need to put a little bit of faith in Craig and let him cook on the offers. I fully expect there to be multiple moves this year, we just cant rush to have this done mid November when teams are circling Calgary like sharks hoping we panic.
This.

Making up a premise (Flames are saying the players aren't available), then making up reactions, then being outraged over the imagined sequence, is next level Flames fan angst.

I have heard similar to what Royle is hearing - the Flames ARE committed to rebuilding and are completely open to moving players to improve the team (though it is not unreasonable to assume that they may prefer it not last too, too long).

And anyone who knows ME will agree that if he doesn't like the way negotiations are going, he will pull just about any lever to influence them. He will let Conroy do his job (talking to other GMs), but if offers suck, it would not be surprising to see him go to the media to try and colour the environment a little.

Think about the interview with Kadri on Saturday... his responses, though careful, CLEARLY implied that there has been conversation about trade, and that he is pretty much expecting to be traded.

Now considering that, which makes more sense?: the Flames are talking to him about the situation openly? or they are saying to him 'don't worry, we'll only trade you if you ask'? If it were the latter, we would not have gotten the responses we got from him. Obviously there have been conversations about being traded, and it appears he has already dealt with the possibility emotionally - he is prepared for it. Why get him prepared for something you have no intention of doing?
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:11 AM   #13148
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Th overreaction to third hand media throwaway comments is wild.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:23 AM   #13149
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It's not even US Thanksgiving. I think most big deals happen closer to the trade deadline. I don't see why fans are panicking because the Flames haven't moved any players at the 1/4 mark of the season. Maybe it's the sign of the times where people have no patience and want everything now, but I don't see the point in getting all antsy on the trade front when there's still 3/4 of the season to go.
In the last 10 years 6% of trades happened in November and December. No team is giving up anything substantial this time of year. Fans are just going to have to hold tight until January.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:26 AM   #13150
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I'm happy to be proven wrong... And I truly hope I am - but they haven't done anything to indicate they'll capitalize on the trade value of Kadri or Coleman. So we're just left hoping Conroy does the right thing, and before one of them gets injured.

The team's track record of avoiding a bottom finish coupled with what everyone is saying in the media is enough reason to at least be a little concerned about the direction of the team.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:28 AM   #13151
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I mean the last 3 - Schaeffer, Celebrini and Bedard have all been pretty impactful right away.


Out of the last 10 1st OA, id say 6 have been pretty competitive in their d+1 year.
Well, Bedard is having his breakout season now, in his third season.

Anyway, I think we have to consider more in the terms that our pick will be a top 5 pick, rather than #1.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:30 AM   #13152
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Yeah that's why I don't get all the "it's posturing takes"

What value is there in telling the media that you don't want to move any of these guys. It really does feel like Edwards doesn't want to punt on this season, and would rather actually make this take even longer to become good again.

Moving Kadri and Coleman now for a premium will accelerate the rebuild, not make it take longer.
We'd have to believe a lot of assumingly intelligent individuals either haven't or can't run a simple model or look at history in making decisions to believe all the media reports.

That's why it's posturing.

Hell it might even be trolling at this point.

Someone at 555 Saddledome Rise can ..

1) Do simple math on the chances of making the playoffs
2) Do a google search on the length of the average rebuild
3) Add those average rebuild years to the age on every player on the team
4) Determine who will be here when the rebuild is done

I honestly can't a) believe and b) understand why people lean into these tertiary media tidbits and overreact.

Go with the facts. Cap space unused. Nobody acquired at the last deadline. Nobody added in the summer. UFAs moved.
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Social media is the death of overreactions. We're 1/4 into the season.

Highly doubt anyone is moved anytime soon. Where is Andersson going to pump his value most? Here, with the minutes he's logging and being the most consistent D this season. Coleman? Same thing, here.

Let them play to drive up their value.
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Old 11-19-2025, 09:33 AM   #13154
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Go with the facts. Cap space unused. Nobody acquired at the last deadline. Nobody added in the summer. UFAs moved.
There’s an enormous excluded middle between desperately trying to make the playoffs and deliberately gutting the roster to tank for several years.

The Flames clearly aren’t doing the former. But there’s a lot of doubt from credible sources that they’re interested in doing the latter either.
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If we can’t be patient enough to wait longer than 6 weeks to make trades how will we be patient enough to go through years of rebuilding?

Conroy told Francis “we are not going to come out and tell everyone (media) what our plan is”

I think we need to chill unless the deadline comes and goes and Kadri/Coleman are still here or we hear from Conroy directly when he says he will not trade these guys. With that said I can understand why people are worried. We saw the writing on the wall in 2010 that this team was not going anywhere but they continued to push until Iginla’s contract was in the last year and Kipper planned to retire. In 2010 there were rumors that Brayden Schenn a recent top 5 pick could be in a deal for Iginla but the Flames refused. Many saying at the time it was Edwards. Now we hear the same thing about Kadri and people get worried so I get it.
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There’s an enormous excluded middle between desperately trying to make the playoffs and deliberately gutting the roster to tank for several years.

The Flames clearly aren’t doing the former. But there’s a lot of doubt from credible sources that they’re interested in doing the latter either.
How much middle is there between gutting the roster and moving players that won't be here when the rebuild is over? Plenty I think.

They can do the math.
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If we can’t be patient enough to wait longer than 6 weeks to make trades how will we be patient enough to go through years of rebuilding?

Conroy told Francis “we are not going to come out and tell everyone (media) what our plan is”

I think we need to chill unless the deadline comes and goes and Kadri/Coleman are still here or we hear from Conroy directly when he says he will not trade these guys. With that said I can understand why people are worried. We saw the writing on the wall in 2010 that this team was not going anywhere but they continued to push until Iginla’s contract was in the last year and Kipper planned to retire. In 2010 there were rumors that Brayden Schenn a recent top 5 pick could be in a deal for Iginla but the Flames refused. Many saying at the time it was Edwards. Now we hear the same thing about Kadri and people get worried so I get it.
I hope they get great offers and move all three players. I do.

But if they don't move two vets with value by the deadline that's not a panic point either because they both have remaining term.

Andersson not moved at the deadline would either be insane or hint that he's being re-signed.
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Yes, I understand the concerns over all these years on capitalizing our returns.

Andersson is priority to be dealt. Injuries are going to happen, there can be more separation in the standings the further we go along. Which means teams that are in a playoff spot and want to remain there are going to want to make desperate trades. I bring up this example all the time, but there were multiple suitors for Lindholm and we got a haul for him a month before the TDL. Vancouver offered a lot to make sure no one else got him. And that was for a rental. Winnipeg had to pivot to Monahan and overpay for him. I think if a team loses out on a potential center that is available, they could come calling Conroy for Kadri and offer a good enough package for Conroy to pull the trigger. Let's also keep in mind that Coleman and Kadri have multiple years on their contracts, so there isn't a red alert on trading them, but definitely an option if opportunity arises.

We complain about missing out on trades, but Conroy has already made a ton of trades in his tenure and doesn't plan on stopping. He doesn't trade for the sake of trading. Yes, he tried to re-sign the majority of the players he sent out the door, but when a contract wasn't agreed upon, he made sure that he dealt them accordingly. I would like for him to expand his horizons a bit with other GMs, and I do not doubt that he will be able to do that. Ideally with Eastern GMs.
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There’s an enormous excluded middle between desperately trying to make the playoffs and deliberately gutting the roster to tank for several years.

The Flames clearly aren’t doing the former. But there’s a lot of doubt from credible sources that they’re interested in doing the latter either.
Yes, there is a lot of room between those two things. But this isn't a dichotomy, and they don't have to be at one end or the other.

Looking at their behavior over the last 2 years, where on the spectrum do you see them? To me, what they're doing is clearly on the rebuild side of the spectrum. Literally nothing they've done suggests anything close to 'deliberately trying to make the playoffs', and pretty much everything they've done sits somewhere on the rebuild side of the ledger.

So where is the need for panic or angst?
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I hope they get great offers and move all three players. I do.

But if they don't move two vets with value by the deadline that's not a panic point either because they both have remaining term.

Andersson not moved at the deadline would either be insane or hint that he's being re-signed.
I agree and if Kadri and Coleman remain I could see Conroy making other moves like Frost, Zary, Sharangovich type moves.

I think we will see vets go outside of Andersson but it might not be the mid-30’s guys everyone expects.
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