11-16-2025, 08:18 PM
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#12921
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Two reasons
1. He has a no trade list
2. Teams may not be offering that unless he indicates that he will re-sign with them
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Would have to think any flip flopping on Andersson’s part is likely centered around these factors. Perhaps the Flames are considering multiple offers, but some preferred deals would require Andersson to waive or extend. If the Flames would make deals with those teams it would require Andersson’s signature. It seems fairly clear that both the team and player are committed to a separation, but the factors cited limit the team’s ability to act unilaterally.
In respect to him re-signing with Calgary, he’s been unwilling to extend to this point, does anyone truly believing the first 20 games have enticed him to extend? I don’t think we have to worry about that.
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11-16-2025, 08:22 PM
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#12922
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
This is just classic Flames. If they re sign Andersson instead of rebuilding all you can do is laugh.
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FWIW I’ve been told numerous times it’s not happening.
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11-16-2025, 08:33 PM
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#12923
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by really?
Would have to think any flip flopping on Andersson’s part is likely centered around these factors. Perhaps the Flames are considering multiple offers, but some preferred deals would require Andersson to waive or extend. If the Flames would make deals with those teams it would require Andersson’s signature. It seems fairly clear that both the team and player are committed to a separation, but the factors cited limit the team’s ability to act unilaterally.
In respect to him re-signing with Calgary, he’s been unwilling to extend to this point, does anyone truly believing the first 20 games have enticed him to extend? I don’t think we have to worry about that.
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Only thing I could think might make him think twice is if the offer the flames gave him to re-sign is looking more competitive these days. Doubtful but maybe his play over the last two years has made a salary of $8.5 million/year pretty close to what he’ll get on the open market (assuming that’s what the flames offered him - I have no idea). His play over the last two years has likely made him considered more of a 3rd/4th defenseman rather than a 1st or 2nd defenceman for a lot of teams. If his agent has put out feelers on what other teams would sign him to in the offseason, maybe $8.5 million for 7 years is not so bad. Purely speculating of course.
The part that hurts this theory is that next summer’s crop of UFAs is so poor at this point and so many teams will have cap space, you’d think Andersson would get a pretty big contract. Maybe in the $9.5-10 million range.
We always hear Conroy makes attempts to sign these veteran UFAs before going down the trade route and I do believe he does… but I think his attempts are different than Treliving’s signing strategy of over-paying to get players to sign with Calgary. Instead, Conroy is willing to sign these players, but maybe only at a home town discount (either in term or AAV) or at most a fair market value (i.e. he’s not willing to overpay to get them to sign).
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11-16-2025, 08:35 PM
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#12924
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royle9
FWIW I’ve been told numerous times it’s not happening.
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Rhett44 only pays attention to information which allows him to say they aren't doing what he wants them to do.
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11-16-2025, 08:36 PM
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#12925
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
My guess the sign and trade is a pipe dream at this stage. His list for a team he would do an extension in season is probably 1 or 2 teams . If/when we trade him it’s going to be as a rental IMO
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I'm thinking more that teams want to know they have a chance to extend him.
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11-16-2025, 08:45 PM
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#12926
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
Only thing I could think might make him think twice is if the offer the flames gave him to re-sign is looking more competitive these days. Doubtful but maybe his play over the last two years has made a salary of $8.5 million/year pretty close to what he’ll get on the open market (assuming that’s what the flames offered him - I have no idea). His play over the last two years has likely made him considered more of a 3rd/4th defenseman rather than a 1st or 2nd defenceman for a lot of teams. If his agent has put out feelers on what other teams would sign him to in the offseason, maybe $8.5 million for 7 years is not so bad. Purely speculating of course.
The part that hurts this theory is that next summer’s crop of UFAs is so poor at this point and so many teams will have cap space, you’d think Andersson would get a pretty big contract. Maybe in the $9.5-10 million range.
We always hear Conroy makes attempts to sign these veteran UFAs before going down the trade route and I do believe he does… but I think his attempts are different than Treliving’s signing strategy of over-paying to get players to sign with Calgary. Instead, Conroy is willing to sign these players, but maybe only at a home town discount (either in term or AAV) or at most a fair market value (i.e. he’s not willing to overpay to get them to sign).
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I hear you, but now the team knows what they look like with an aging core with Andersson’s as part of that core. I doubt they’d be looking for another helping.
Conroy and the team seems to treat the players well, but I’m confident Andersson wants to win, and that means finding his way to someone he perceives to be a contender. If he sees a window in Calgary in the near term, he needs some thick glasses.
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11-16-2025, 09:20 PM
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#12927
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Rhett44 only pays attention to information which allows him to say they aren't doing what he wants them to do.
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I listen to Royle, he is a respectul poster and insider.
But no, I'm not going to listen to you and the 5 other Homers on here who agree with you on everything and never question any move the Flames ever make. Loyalty so blind you can never criticize your team is not a good thing.
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11-16-2025, 09:21 PM
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#12928
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Reached out to my Leafs guy, there has been dialogue between BT and CC in regards to both Andersson and Kadri, ask from Conroy is much too high for Tre's liking right now. They don't think anything will get done with the Leafs. No details on what that ask is, just that it's a lot for either guy right now.
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Dis, not trying to be a dick, but now knowing that Treliving has conversations in isolation and doesn't involve the people around him (at least during his time in Calgary), how is there any source on this? Has he changed his tune and started involving others in the organization over there?
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11-16-2025, 09:39 PM
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#12929
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Rhett44 only pays attention to information which allows him to say they aren't doing what he wants them to do.
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Is that kind of like ignoring a players points because “it’s a counting stat”. There isn’t a black enough kettle for that post.
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Originally Posted by puckhog
Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid
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11-16-2025, 09:46 PM
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#12930
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
Is that kind of like ignoring a players points because “it’s a counting stat”. There isn’t a black enough kettle for that post.
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No, it's kind of like ignoring everything else that a player does EXCEPT his counting stats, and then getting bent out of shape when other posters dare to mention it. Take a look in the mirror.
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11-16-2025, 09:54 PM
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#12931
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Random
No, it's kind of like ignoring everything else that a player does EXCEPT his counting stats, and then getting bent out of shape when other posters dare to mention it. Take a look in the mirror.
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I did take a lot more into account than counting stats, check the post history chief it’s right there to be read. In any case I’m not going to entertain responses like yours which are nothing more than lies to fit a narrative. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your feelings:
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
Kadri has value as a placeholder #1C until one comes in through the draft. Kadri is the best center we’re going to have, after him the center depth is grim. Backlund isn’t a spring chicken and not long for the NHL after his current deal and Frost isn’t the guy you want as your #1C unless the goal is straight up tanking.
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Originally Posted by puckhog
Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid
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11-16-2025, 10:07 PM
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#12932
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluejays
Dis, not trying to be a dick, but now knowing that Treliving has conversations in isolation and doesn't involve the people around him (at least during his time in Calgary), how is there any source on this? Has he changed his tune and started involving others in the organization over there?
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I can't say if he is working with other members of the front office or not. While he ultimately made the calls and the decisions in Calgary he did discuss things with Conroy and Paskell. It's also a lot harder to keep a lid on things in Toronto than it was in Calgary. I don't see you questioning it as being a dick at all, that's perfectly fine and you can choose to believe it or not.
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11-16-2025, 10:10 PM
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#12933
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
michigan colors? so detroit?
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Michael Hage plays in Michigan. Kadri to Habs.
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11-16-2025, 10:12 PM
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#12934
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
I did take a lot more into account than counting stats, check the post history chief it’s right there to be read. In any case I’m not going to entertain responses like yours which are nothing more than lies to fit a narrative. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your feelings:
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You nevertheless considered Knies a better player than Kadri based solely on counting stats, and ridiculed anyone who attempted to point out other things. I didn't make that up. Apparently you've forgotten it.
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11-16-2025, 10:17 PM
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#12935
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Reached out to my Leafs guy, there has been dialogue between BT and CC in regards to both Andersson and Kadri, ask from Conroy is much too high for Tre's liking right now. They don't think anything will get done with the Leafs. No details on what that ask is, just that it's a lot for either guy right now.
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The only deal Tre can offer is a reverse Double Dion deal. Calgary has basically said Knies or get ####ed.
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11-16-2025, 10:32 PM
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#12936
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Franchise Player
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Or a 1st + Cowan
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11-16-2025, 10:34 PM
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#12937
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Crash and Bang Winger
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I am ready for something to happen now.
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11-16-2025, 10:35 PM
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#12938
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
I listen to Royle, he is a respectul poster and insider.
But no, I'm not going to listen to you and the 5 other Homers on here who agree with you on everything and never question any move the Flames ever make. Loyalty so blind you can never criticize your team is not a good thing.
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LOL, I criticize the Flames plenty, just on things that actually happen. I offered more criticism in the GT than you did. It was about the game though.
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11-16-2025, 10:49 PM
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#12939
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sec214
The only deal Tre can offer is a reverse Double Dion deal. Calgary has basically said Knies or get ####ed.
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I find it hilarious that the Leafs are as mid as they are.
In the last year, Treliving:
1) Let Mitch Marner walk for nothing (turns out he didn't learn anything from the Gaudreau situation - whether that would have been re-signing him as soon as possible, or trading him prior to entering last season, both would have been better than what he did).
2) Traded a 1st Round Pick for a 2nd pair defenceman
3) Traded a 1st Round Pick for a 3rd/4th line Centre/Winger.
How to go from a "have" team to a "have not" team in the course of one year.
It's impressive work.
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11-16-2025, 11:13 PM
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#12940
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
I can't say if he is working with other members of the front office or not. While he ultimately made the calls and the decisions in Calgary he did discuss things with Conroy and Paskell. It's also a lot harder to keep a lid on things in Toronto than it was in Calgary. I don't see you questioning it as being a dick at all, that's perfectly fine and you can choose to believe it or not.
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FWIW, I believe all the insiders on here (including yourself). I was moreso wondering how Tre conducts himself there vs here. I seem to recall Conroy saying that his job was moreso to deal with the contracts as Tre didn't involve him in deals (or am I completely butchering what he said once)?
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