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Old 11-16-2025, 04:46 PM   #12901
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Exactly what Sec alluded to. Ball is in his court at the moment.
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Old 11-16-2025, 04:47 PM   #12902
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Why does it matter what he wants? Ship has sailed.
Flames may need Andersson to approve trade to a team on his No Trade List
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Old 11-16-2025, 04:48 PM   #12903
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Why does it matter what he wants? Ship has sailed.
Because you get a better deal for a team that he wants ot go to and sign with, plus he still has a MNTC, so there may be some (eg Detroit) he has on the list.
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Old 11-16-2025, 04:51 PM   #12904
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I read that as Buffalo colors. Maybe St. Louis?
Yeah, BUF, STL and SWE (i.e. Ras) are all plausible. We need more clarity.

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Old 11-16-2025, 05:03 PM   #12905
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At this point in the season I doubt the Flames are looking to resign Andersson

I would guess it more of wait until the offers pickup

I also don't believe Andersson is going to resign once he is traded...
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Old 11-16-2025, 05:10 PM   #12906
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Interesting post. Couple things though; has there actually been interest shown in Anderson from Detroit? It does make sense, I agree with your points but I don’t ever remember hearing/reading anything about it. That’s not to say it doesn’t exist, I just didn’t hear it.

Second point, I think the Flames are very much interested in a LHS D. All sorts of smoke around the Flames and K’Andre Miller, Nick Hague, and Bowen Byram last summer.
I kept a notepad over the summer about which teams were rumoured to have interest in Andersson. Detroit was rumoured to be interested and then immediately shot down because of the personal incident and/or because Yzerman would not give up Danielson. (I think that exact sequence has happened 3-4 times now in this thread.)

Having Kasper in the doghouse might make the situation more interesting.

There was also some rumours around the Kings, Bruins, 'Canes, Sharks, CBJ, Mammoth, Blues, and Sabres... but most of the conversation focused on the Stars or VGK. Since then some teams have made other moves, like Kings grabbing Ceci or CBJ re-signing Provolov, but most of the teams are likely still interested.

It is now just a waiting game to see which team needs Andersson earlier than the others and finally meets Conroy's asking price.

LD: I really think Kuznetsov changes the LD requirement now that he is shifting from 'unknown' to 'looks pretty good on the second pair'. A lot of speculation over the summer was around trying to get other team's equivalent of Kuznetsov. At this point, with Bahl and Kuznetsov, I wouldn't go after a LD unless it is someone who has clear #1LD upside.
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Old 11-16-2025, 06:17 PM   #12907
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Why does it matter what he wants? Ship has sailed.
This is just classic Flames. If they re sign Andersson instead of rebuilding all you can do is laugh.
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This is just classic Flames. If they re sign Andersson instead of rebuilding all you can do is laugh.
Do you see the return for Rasmus being so big as to be key to the rebuild? How much do you think we will get for him?
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Do you see the return for Rasmus being so big as to be key to the rebuild? How much do you think we will get for him?
It just does not make any sense to sign another vet D to a big contract when he will be on the down turn of his career by the time we are competitive. I also just think he is overrated and nothing more than a decent 2nd pairing dman.

But it would signal to me that there is no rebuild. You don't sign a player like this in a rebuild, when you already have Weegar, who is better anyways filling that vet role.

I don't really think he is worth as much as most people, but I'd be fine with any return if there are some picks involved.
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Old 11-16-2025, 06:47 PM   #12910
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To be honest, I would jump on the best 1st rounder + 2nd offered for him now.

Why we care that Ras is flip flopping is beyond me. Whether he wants to go or stay shouldn't matter at all - trade him ASAP.
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Old 11-16-2025, 06:49 PM   #12911
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To be honest, I would jump on the best 1st rounder + 2nd offered for him now.

Why we care that Ras is flip flopping is beyond me. Whether he wants to go or stay shouldn't matter at all - trade him ASAP.
I don't think he's worth a 1st, but yeah if you can get something close do it.
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Old 11-16-2025, 06:50 PM   #12912
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It just does not make any sense to sign another vet D to a big contract when he will be on the down turn of his career by the time we are competitive. I also just think he is overrated and nothing more than a decent 2nd pairing dman.

But it would signal to me that there is no rebuild. You don't sign a player like this in a rebuild, when you already have Weegar, who is better anyways filling that vet role.

I don't really think he is worth as much as most people, but I'd be fine with any return if there are some picks involved.
So it has nothing to do with whether they are rebuilding or not, it is just a move that you think indicates they are not rebuilding? Many rebuilding teams sign players when they are rebuilding. The Sharks signed Toffoli last year to a 4 year contract and he will never be there when they are competing.
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So it has nothing to do with whether they are rebuilding or not, it is just a move that you think indicates they are not rebuilding? Many rebuilding teams sign players when they are rebuilding. The Sharks signed Toffoli last year to a 4 year contract and he will never be there when they are competing.
The difference is, signing Andersson to say, a 7 year contract, means he will be there when you are hopefully competing. And playing poorly and taking up needed cap space.

Signing a guy for free who will be gone when you need the space vs. not trading a guy (when he's likely worth a 1st round pick+) to a contract that will harm you down the road.

Apples and oranges.
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Old 11-16-2025, 06:55 PM   #12914
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So it has nothing to do with whether they are rebuilding or not, it is just a move that you think indicates they are not rebuilding? Many rebuilding teams sign players when they are rebuilding. The Sharks signed Toffoli last year to a 4 year contract and he will never be there when they are competing.
Toffoli signing makes sense for the Sharks. They needed a vet and it helps them hit the cap floor.

The Flames roster is filled with a million vets. We don't need to re sign another. We need to open some spots up for the younger players.
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Old 11-16-2025, 07:02 PM   #12915
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Toffoli signing makes sense for the Sharks. They needed a vet and it helps them hit the cap floor.

The Flames roster is filled with a million vets. We don't need to re sign another. We need to open some spots up for the younger players.
Well if the Flames do what fans want them to do and trade Kadri and Coleman they will have to spend about 12 million dollars on players to reach the cap floor. They will have 15 players signed. If young players take up 5 of the spots that will burn 5 million total of that mandatory spend. So they will have to spend a minimum of 7 million dollars to stay as part of the league. And they have no good RFAs to sign, so either way they will be bringing in some expensive vets to take up spots just to make the cap floor (if the folks who want to fire sale the assets get their way).

The 2027 offseason is even worse, will have to spend another 9 million on top of the 7 million minimum spend in the 2026 offseason with again nobody to sign in 2027. So like it or not, the Flames will be spending some cash on some vets over the next two years . If the Flames do not spend this offseason they may have to trade young cheap players away in the 2027 offseason so they have roster spots to sign expensive veterans to make the cap floor:

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Old 11-16-2025, 07:02 PM   #12916
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To be honest, I would jump on the best 1st rounder + 2nd offered for him now.

Why we care that Ras is flip flopping is beyond me. Whether he wants to go or stay shouldn't matter at all - trade him ASAP.
Two reasons
1. He has a no trade list
2. Teams may not be offering that unless he indicates that he will re-sign with them
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Toffoli signing makes sense for the Sharks. They needed a vet and it helps them hit the cap floor.

The Flames roster is filled with a million vets. We don't need to re sign another. We need to open some spots up for the younger players.
What young players? They just go into full tank mode
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Old 11-16-2025, 07:51 PM   #12918
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To be honest, I would jump on the best 1st rounder + 2nd offered for him now.

Why we care that Ras is flip flopping is beyond me. Whether he wants to go or stay shouldn't matter at all - trade him ASAP.
We care because any chance that Andersson may re-sign with the Flames actually raises his trade value.

If Andersson went out into the media and was saying "I wants out no matter what" then other GMs would know that Conroy has to trade him and thus would lower their offers. Because Andersson is saying he might want to stay, Conroy has leverage to get better value.

Many posters here may implode over the idea but if no one makes a reasonable offer to Conroy then the expectation should be that Conroy tries to extend Andersson and plan for a future trade. This same thing just happened with Byram and the Sabres after they failed to trade him.
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Old 11-16-2025, 07:51 PM   #12919
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Because you get a better deal for a team that he wants ot go to and sign with, plus he still has a MNTC, so there may be some (eg Detroit) he has on the list.
My guess the sign and trade is a pipe dream at this stage. His list for a team he would do an extension in season is probably 1 or 2 teams . If/when we trade him it’s going to be as a rental IMO
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We care because any chance that Andersson may re-sign with the Flames actually raises his trade value.

If Andersson went out into the media and was saying "I wants out no matter what" then other GMs would know that Conroy has to trade him and thus would lower their offers. Because Andersson is saying he might want to stay, Conroy has leverage to get better value.

Many posters here may implode over the idea but if no one makes a reasonable offer to Conroy then the expectation should be that Conroy tries to extend Andersson and plan for a future trade. This same thing just happened with Byram and the Sabres after they failed to trade him.
It could be this or it could be a sign that the ownership will never allow them to rebuild despite the 8 vets they traded for picks, prospects and younger players. Some might see something that gives the Flames leverage and some may see hockey chem trails.
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