Israel declares war on Hamas

[peter12]

I for one actually have no idea why Israel would want to control border access into Gaza. No idea at all. It must strictly have had to do with stopping food aid from entering. No other reason.

[Fuzz]

Thousands of boxes filled with shelter items and food are sitting idle in Jordan, Egypt and Israel, humanitarian agencies say, warning that very little aid is making its way into Gaza nearly four weeks after a ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel began.

“Gaza should be receiving a surge of shelter materials, but only a fraction of what is needed has entered,” Caredda said in a statement Wednesday, calling for "swift and unimpeded access" into the war-torn territory.

The World Food Program (WFP) says only half the needed amount of food is coming in. But an umbrella group of Palestinian agencies that liaise with the UN says only 25 to 30 per cent of the expected amount of aid had entered so far.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-a...lter-9.6967494


Huh.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

An air drop is 10% of a single truck. Are we talking about a rounding error here?

You are correct. But it is more than just air dropped aid that the UN wasn’t counting.

From Google

The United Nations does not count all aid entering Gaza. The UN's tracking mechanisms, such as the UN 2720 Monitoring & Tracking Dashboard, primarily record only the aid handled by UN agencies and their specific implementing partners, which often accounts for only a portion of the total aid entering the strip.
Key reasons and factors include:
Selective Tracking: The UN dashboard specifically tracks only UN-manifested aid, as mandated by Security Council Resolution 2720, but this system does not capture aid delivered by other entities, such as individual states, non-UN international organizations, the private sector, or through airdrops and temporary distribution hubs (like the U.S.-operated pier, when active).

Damn UN wouldn’t have even counted all the aid that Greta sailed to Gaza.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-a...lter-9.6967494


Huh.

Israel meanwhile says it is fulfilling its obligations under the ceasefire agreement, which calls for an average of 600 trucks of supplies into Gaza per day. It blames Hamas fighters for any food shortages, accusing it of stealing food aid before it can be distributed, which the group denies.

You just missed this in your quote.

Hamas stealing the supplies from the Palestinians.


Free Palestine
From Hamas

[Fuzz]

You mean the stuff Israel blockaded and didn't get into Gaza?


So going back to this:

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Fellas, why so angry? Try google!

The UN did not count all aid that entered Gaza. Everyone who bases their numbers on anything the UN publishes is not accurate. Period.

If there are 100 marbles in a box, but you only counted 50 of them going into the box, that doesn’t mean there are 50 marbles in the box. That means you don’t count all the marbles going into the box.

The bigger question, since the UN has not been counting all aid entering Gaza, how can they claim there is a famine. It’s misinformation.

Edit;
Here is what came up.

Oh, how could they possibly, without a balance sheet? It's baffling. It's not misinformation, it's using other data points. You really can't possibly be this thick, but you've put so much effort into it.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You mean the stuff Israel blockaded and didn't get into Gaza?


So going back to this:
Oh, how could they possibly, without a balance sheet? It's baffling. It's not misinformation, it's using other data points. You really can't possibly be this thick, but you've put so much effort into it.

What other data points is the UN using if they aren’t counting all aid entering Gaza?

You really defending the UN here hey? You understand the UN doesn’t even recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization don’t you?

[Fuzz]

Ya, I'm out, you are trolling. No one is this thick.

[PepsiFree]

Imagine thinking famine and starvation is determined solely on the count of aid trucks going in lol.

But from the guy who doesn’t know what an air drop or what things like famine and starvation even are I guess it makes sense.

[Bagor]

The irony. Filing a complaint to a human rights tribunal against another for calling a ginormous violation of human rights a genocide.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...80ff2c2fa.html

[Doctorfever]

https://themedialine.org/top-stories...d-in-idf-zone/

“It’s a balancing act for the United States,” Joe Truzman, senior research analyst at Foundation for Defense of Democracy’s Long War Journal, told The Media Line. “In part, it is about protecting the ceasefire, but it is also about keeping happy Qatar and Turkey, who are Hamas allies as well as key guarantors of the deal. I expect Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, and perhaps the United States to ramp up pressure on the Jewish state the longer time passes without an agreement being made, making it more difficult for the Israelis to act against the trapped gunmen,” he added.

“Israel is trying to postpone the issue of the 200 terrorists until Hamas fully complies with the agreement and releases the four bodies of the dead hostages. Only then will Israel be willing and ready to negotiate what to do with these 200 terrorists,” Michael told The Media Line. “Hamas is trying to insert a new deal into an existing deal, and this is something Israel must reject—and I think the Americans understand that. The Americans are pushing to preserve the ceasefire and avoid a crisis or an excuse for Hamas, but I don’t think Israel will be ready to deal with this issue until Hamas has completed the transfer of all the dead hostages,” he added.

Israel is trying to postpone the issue of the 200 terrorists until Hamas fully complies with the agreement and releases the four bodies of the dead hostages

Under the US-mediated ceasefire that took effect in October, Hamas has begun returning long-held remains, including those of Lt. Hadar Goldin, killed in Rafah in 2014 and buried this month after 11 years in Gaza. But several bodies of hostages taken during Hamas’ 2023 attack are still missing, and Israeli officials say Hamas has tried to link further returns to concessions over the trapped fighters.

“This is what Hamas is obligated to do under the agreement,” Michael said, “and I don’t think we should tolerate all the manipulation and stalling that Hamas is using to buy time, rebuild itself and create new facts on the ground,” he added.

Hopefully this pressures Hamas to return the bodies of the remaining hostages and we can move on to the next step in the ceasefire agreement.

While the world’s attention is fixed on Gaza, the West Bank is experiencing its most violent settler season on record—a trend diplomats warn could destabilize the Gaza ceasefire from the outside in.

UN figures show that Israeli settlers carried out a record number of attacks against Palestinians in October, many of them during the olive harvest. In dozens of villages near Nablus, Hebron, and the central West Bank, Palestinian farmers have reported beatings, arson, and the destruction of thousands of trees.

For Palestinian officials and many international observers, this makes the Gaza ceasefire look increasingly compartmentalized: relative de-escalation in one territory, escalating pressure in another. Israeli security officials, meanwhile, fear that Hamas and other armed groups could exploit any breakdown over Rafah to fan further unrest in the West Bank, turning settler violence and army raids into another front in the conflict.

Israel needs to get control of the settlers in the West Bank. This is not helping the overall situation. Start prosecuting settlers violence.

[Doctorfever]

https://apple.news/ArFSFV-4EQVW_zDgeO4WK2Q

The foundation was created in February 2025 and claims that it has distributed 187 million meals to Gazans at a time when nearly 90 per cent of aid from more established organizations, like the United Nations, was diverted by Hamas or looted. According to the foundation, “not a single GHF aid truck was looted” during its four-and-a-half months of aid delivery operations.
Throughout its existence, GHF faced criticism and questions about its independence and efficacy, including the extent to which it enjoyed the support of the U.S. and Israeli governments, Hamas’s killing of GHF’s local staff and reports of mass shootings at or near GHF sites.
Israel has denied claims that it was responsible for firing on Gazans seeking aid at GHF distribution centers.
The U.S. State Department thanked GHF for its efforts on Monday.
“GHF’s model, in which Hamas could no longer loot and profit from stealing aid, played a huge role in getting Hamas to the table and achieving a ceasefire,” wrote Tommy Pigott, the department’s deputy spokesman.
Acree said on Monday that the foundation’s model of aid distribution should be emulated in other parts of the world and in future Gaza aid plans.

Great that they had success in getting food to Gaza citizens, as opposed to Hamas looting and profiting off the aid.

[Fuzz]

^source

In October 2023, Dan Freeman-Maloy, the director of strategic operations at Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, wrote to chief personnel at the National Post requesting that syndicated content from the JNS be clearly labelled as opinion, stating that the JNS "functions as a pro-Israel think tank that produces hard-line opinions behind a 'National Post Wire Service' disguise" and calling the use of JNS content "a gross betrayal of public trust and a blow to the credibility of journalism nation-wide".[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_News_Syndicate


Cool.

[Doctorfever]

You still upset that you can’t use UN as a source?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You still upset that you can’t use UN as a source?

Why? Because you said he couldn’t? hahaha

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

OK, this is misinformation so we’ll call it out.

Happy?

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why? Because you said he couldn’t? hahaha

You can. It’s just misinformation, that’s all.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You can. It’s just misinformation, that’s all.

You’re the expert

[Doctorfever]

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...uthern-lebanon

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has set Dec. 31 as the deadline for the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah, according to diplomatic sources with knowledge on the matter, Israel Hayom reported on Thursday.

Should Beirut fail to disarm the Iranian-backed group, the responsibility will rest with it, which could grant Israel the political legitimacy to launch another military campaign against the terrorist group, the newspaper’s correspondent Ariel Kahana reported.

The truce in Lebanon went into effect on Nov. 27, 2024, following an intense two-month campaign by the Israel Defense Forces that led to the decapitation of Hezbollah’s leadership. The agreement was cemented by the Israeli and Lebanese governments, and five mediating countries, including the United States.

The terms of the ceasefire stipulate that Southern Lebanon must be demilitarized, with the Hezbollah Shi’ite group disarmed.

On Nov. 23, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu one again urged Beirut to disarm Hezbollah.

“I expect the government of Lebanon to fulfill its commitment to disarm Hezbollah,” said Netanyahu as he confirmed the death of Haytham Ali Tabatabai, the group’s No. 2 after Secretary-General Naim Qassem.

Only through Beirut fulfilling its commitments under the Nov. 26, 2024, ceasefire understandings with Jerusalem, Netanyahu said, “can a better future be made possible for every citizen in Lebanon — and only in this way can good and secure neighbourly relations be established.”

Lots of talk and negotiations in the region. We will see what happens when it’s actually time for groups to disarm.

I can’t see it happening with Hezbolah or Hamas. Cycle is likely to continue.

[Bagor]

Lol! Now he's posting quotes from a wanted mass murdering war criminal and genocidal monster talking about a "good future"!

[afc wimbledon]

The Lebanese Government has no ability to disarm Hezbollah, if they could they would have decades ago, they have tried at times and it has just ended up in bloody civil war

[Language]

You’re right Bagor. Who is war criminal Netanyahu to suggest that Hezbollah be disarmed. God forbid Lebanon actually gets their country back and can recover from decades of mismanagement, ruin, and terrorist takeover, completely making life miserable for most people there.

It would be a shame to see Lebanon (and potentially Syria, Saudis Arabia) join the Abraham Accords one day. Perhaps the freedom fighter Hezbollah, Hamas, Houti’s and other Jihadists can continue to wage their holy wars against Israel, continue to lose, and then gain the pity of everyone in the west about the evil colonial settlers.


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