Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I'm not even sure what the entire point of this "UN aid count is wrong!" debate is.

Okay the count is right. People are still starving.
Okay the count is wrong. People are still starving.

What is the sticking point exactly? Seems like pointless fixation without mentioning the fact that people...are still starving in Gaza?

He saw a headline somewhere and thinks it's the final word, without bothering to understand anything. He's now trying to convince others so he isn't so lonely.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

What are you on about? Where did the UN say that there was no airdrops taking place?

Are you saying because the cargo planes airdropping aid weren't shot down by Israel, it's a lie that aid is being blocked?

Do you understand the horrendously expensive and less effective air drops are being used out of desperation where trucks can't get in?

Gets asked questions, neglects to answer them. Fast forward a couple more posts:

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Answer the question. Coward.

Answer, the questions, coward?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I'm not even sure what the entire point of this "UN aid count is wrong!" debate is.

Okay the count is right. People are still starving.
Okay the count is wrong. People are still starving.

What is the sticking point exactly? Seems like pointless fixation without mentioning the fact that people...are still starving in Gaza?

The UN aid counts are wrong. I thinks we can all agree on that?

The UN uses their counts of aid to determine if there is a famine, and uses their numbers to predict famine as well. Their numbers, and hence their predictions are wrong.

It’s misinformation, and should be called out.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

What are you on about? Where did the UN say that there was no airdrops taking place?

Are you saying because the cargo planes airdropping aid weren't shot down by Israel, it's a lie that aid is being blocked?

Do you understand the horrendously expensive and less effective air drops are being used out of desperation where trucks can't get in?

The UN does not count air drops as aid entering Gaza. I’m not denying that they are less effective and more expensive than trucks, but I imagine that they were required in certain circumstances.

The whole point is that UN does not count all aid entering Gaza.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

The UN aid counts are wrong. I thinks we can all agree on that?

The UN uses their counts of aid to determine if there is a famine, and uses their numbers to predict famine as well. Their numbers, and hence their predictions are wrong.

It’s misinformation, and should be called out.

OK, this is misinformation so we’ll call it out.

Happy?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

The UN does not count air drops as aid entering Gaza. I’m not denying that they are less effective and more expensive than trucks, but I imagine that they were required in certain circumstances.

The whole point is that UN does not count all aid entering Gaza.

Do you think that during the Berlin Air Lift everyone was completely fat and happy? Or was there still suffering?

Just because there were air drops of aid into Gaza, does that mean everyone in Gaza had a full belly and medical supplies for their wounds the IDF inflicted on them?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

The UN does not count air drops as aid entering Gaza. I’m not denying that they are less effective and more expensive than trucks, but I imagine that they were required in certain circumstances.

The whole point is that UN does not count all aid entering Gaza.

A desperate measure because of the circumstances of Israel not allowing any aid in at that particular time leading to famine, starvation and death. Yes. "Certain circumstances." That Israel created.

Ok, that's enough. You can't actually be this stupid.

If you claim not to be trolling, you are gonna just have to admit to everyone you are, in fact, that stupid. So which is it? Are you a troll or a moron?

[Looch City]

Is the UN with us right now?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Do you think that during the Berlin Air Lift everyone was completely fat and happy? Or was there still suffering?

Just because there were air drops of aid into Gaza, does that mean everyone in Gaza had a full belly and medical supplies for their wounds the IDF inflicted on them?

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Sorry fellas. Missed a few messages. Was out volunteering.

The whole point I was trying to make is that the UN did not count all the aid that was entering Gaza. They based all their forecasts and projections only on the aid that they were counting. Basically the UN has stated that famine was imminent, and that tens of thousands of people would die from starvation. That never happened because the UN was not counting all the aid that entered Gaza.

The UN spreading misinformation is not helping the situation. All the reporting the UN has done on this conflict isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

It’s definitely a fact that there was, and probably still is people suffering in Gaza. As unfortunate as it is, this does happen during these types of conflicts.

Hope this helps.

When did I say the people in Gaza were not suffering?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A desperate measure because of the circumstances of Israel not allowing any aid in at that particular time leading to famine, starvation and death. Yes. "Certain circumstances." That Israel created.

Ok, that's enough. You can't actually be this stupid.

If you claim not to be trolling, you are gonna just have to admit to everyone you are, in fact, that stupid. So which is it? Are you a troll or a moron?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-a...alks-continue/

Are these the “certain circumstances” you are talking about?

The Israeli military said 14 rockets and mortars launched from the Rafah area hit Kerem Shalom crossing. Hamas said it had been targeting Israeli soldiers in the area. Israel's Channel 12 TV channel said 10 people were wounded.

The IDF launched counter-strikes on the launch site and other locations in Gaza, Lerner said.

The military said the crossing was immediately closed, halting deliveries of aid from there into hard-hit Gaza. It was unclear how long the closure would remain in effect.

The incident came at a time when Gaza is facing a humanitarian crisis with shortages of food, medicine and other humanitarian items.

Do you think Israel has (had) the ability to block all aid from entering Gaza? If so, why didn’t they just prevent any aid from entering Gaza?

Look, I never have said Israel is without blame, and I absolutely believe they should be scrutinized, but to say that Israel didn’t allow any aid into Gaza is false. Misinformation.

[PepsiFree]

Haha, skirts right around the info that makes his position look silly.

Classic.

[Looch City]

Israel blocks 99 out of 100 aid routes.

SEE THEY ALLOWED 1! Therefore, they provided aid!

Checkmate atheists.

[Fuzz]

Hrmm, doesn't really help move the Troll<----->Moron needle though.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Hrmm, doesn't really help move the Troll<----->Moron needle though.

Your self reflection is appreciated.

Just quit posting misinformation!!

Free Palestine
From Hamas

(I genuinely mean that. Hamas has to go for the Palestinians to have a chance).

[peter12]

Why would Israel block 99/100 routes into Gaza? Interesting question, that.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-a...alks-continue/

Are these the “certain circumstances” you are talking about?



Do you think Israel has (had) the ability to block all aid from entering Gaza? If so, why didn’t they just prevent any aid from entering Gaza?

Look, I never have said Israel is without blame, and I absolutely believe they should be scrutinized, but to say that Israel didn’t allow any aid into Gaza is false. Misinformation.

Wait, what the actual ####. Do you think that Israel does not have the ability to all block aid into Gaza? They literally control everything into and out of Gaza, of course they block aid into Gaza.

There's easily found stories of their blockades of aid. Are you refusing to acknowledge they exist?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3d4kz8p00eo

Israel stopped all deliveries of humanitarian aid and commercial supplies to Gaza on 2 March and resumed its military offensive two weeks later, ending a two-month ceasefire with Hamas.

Literally in the article. Do you need a dictionary to understand what "all" means? Stop posting misinformation that would lead people to think Israel doesn't control literally everything going on in Gaza.

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Fellas, why so angry? Try google!

The UN did not count all aid that entered Gaza. Everyone who bases their numbers on anything the UN publishes is not accurate. Period.

If there are 100 marbles in a box, but you only counted 50 of them going into the box, that doesn’t mean there are 50 marbles in the box. That means you don’t count all the marbles going into the box.

The bigger question, since the UN has not been counting all aid entering Gaza, how can they claim there is a famine. It’s misinformation.

Edit;
Here is what came up.

LOL at the bolded. What if there are 100 marbles in a box, but there's only one person that controls the marbles going into the box and who gets marbles out of the box, and if people go to the distribution site to get marbles, they get murdered trying to do it? Does that mean the 100 marbles is totally sufficient for all of the people that need marbles to survive?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Wait, what the actual ####. Do you think that Israel does not have the ability to all block aid into Gaza? They literally control everything into and out of Gaza, of course they block aid into Gaza.

There's easily found stories of their blockades of aid. Are you refusing to acknowledge they exist?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3d4kz8p00eo



Literally in the article. Do you need a dictionary to understand what "all" means?



LOL at the bolded. What if there are 100 marbles in a box, but there's only one person that controls the marbles going into the box and who gets marbles out of the box, and if people go to the distribution site to get marbles, they get murdered trying to do it? Does that mean the 100 marbles is totally sufficient for all of the people that need marbles to survive?

Israel definitely has the ability to block all aid into Gaza. Had they done that, there would be no aid entering Gaza…. They are allowing aid into Gaza (if they didn’t, all the Palestinian citizens would be dead).

If the hundred marbles wasn’t enough for the people to survive, the people would all be dead.

Again, Israel should be scrutinized for how they have conducted their operations. But for people to say that they didn’t let any aid into Gaza is false. And for the UN to make certain claims while admitting that they have ignored some evidence is spreading misinformation.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

The UN does not count air drops as aid entering Gaza. I’m not denying that they are less effective and more expensive than trucks, but I imagine that they were required in certain circumstances.

The whole point is that UN does not count all aid entering Gaza.

An air drop is 10% of a single truck. Are we talking about a rounding error here?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

An air drop is 10% of a single truck. Are we talking about a rounding error here?

Oooo, back to round things. Nice.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

An air drop is 10% of a single truck. Are we talking about a rounding error here?

Air drops account for less than a half of a percent of daily required aid, I believe.