NHL teams (GMs) have a book on players and can likely see the player in a different scenario within their team (not facing the elite matchups like he is in Calgary).
And ... Andersson was one of the better Calgary players last night.
Andersson vs McDavid, Petterson, Thomas and Eichel was out chanced 16 to 4. His numbers are good against lessor talent, but he still has shown he can't handle the other team's top players. Playoff teams need to consider this when trading for him.
Weegar and Miromanov were 3 chances to 1 against when Eichel was on the ice last night. Miromanov was an even player against elite level talent last year as well.
This game was very similar to the Blues game. Flames were dominant in third periods last season, this season not so much. No one seems to have any chemistry with Kadri, Huberdeau can't come back soon enough there. Sharangovich has reverted to being completely ineffective again, our most frustrating player, IMO. On the bright side Honzek has looked great with limited minutes.
Also don't understand why Huska is burying Zary. He's been the Flames best faceoff man and it is not even close. Frost is struggling big time in the faceoff circle.
Also don't understand why Huska is burying Zary. He's been the Flames best faceoff man and it is not even close. Frost is struggling big time in the faceoff circle.
Played 10 mins last night. Was one of the best players for the team last year before the injury. Mind blowing to me that he is on the 4th line.
The Flames are just way too cautious when sheltering players.
Even if the Flames finish dead last they only have a 25.5% chance of the #1 overall. Basically, the Oilers F-ed us again.
Kid who has grown up in western canada/ alberta
Flames building new arena
never had 1st oa before
owner has been big in league affairs for last 2 decades
Gotta think that it's slightly more than 25.5% listed on the sticker...
Kid who has grown up in western canada/ alberta
Flames building new arena
never had 1st oa before owner has been big in league affairs for last 2 decades
Gotta think that it's slightly more than 25.5% listed on the sticker...
If that has had *any* sway whatsoever we'd have seen some sign of it by now.
And yet some people think Andersson’s value has cratered, Farabee should be bought out, and Parekh should be sent to the OHL (not common opinions in all cases, though).
I think it has to come down to people over-focusing on lapses in judgement and missed opportunities. But so far I think each player is playing right in line with realistic expectations.
If you dislike a player you look for his mistakes.
Andersson vs McDavid, Petterson, Thomas and Eichel was out chanced 16 to 4. His numbers are good against lessor talent, but he still has shown he can't handle the other team's top players. Playoff teams need to consider this when trading for him.
Weegar and Miromanov were 3 chances to 1 against when Eichel was on the ice last night. Miromanov was an even player against elite level talent last year as well.
Andersson is a minute munching 2nd pairing defenseman on a sweet rest of year deal.
That will always have value, especially for playoff bound teams that have the first pairing ironed out (with a plan to reduce Andersson's exposure to top end players)
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Kid who has grown up in western canada/ alberta
Flames building new arena
never had 1st oa before
owner has been big in league affairs for last 2 decades
Gotta think that it's slightly more than 25.5% listed on the sticker...
lol. Come on. You think Bettman in his retirement tour and the league are going to rig a draft that screws 15 other teams?
Unless this is just a manifest destiny kind of thinking, then I'm down with that.
Seemed like the 4th line was out more than that...maybe it was later in the game...they were the 2nd best line
I missed the game so can't comment on how well he played.
But the shift chart says he got 1st shift when Wolf got pulled and that was his 1st shift since before the 1st TV timeout of the 3rd and 3rd shift of the period.
Looks like he was riding the bench for 8-9 mins straight before he was thrown out in the empty net scenario
Andersson is a minute munching 2nd pairing defenseman on a sweet rest of year deal.
That will always have value, especially for playoff bound teams that have the first pairing ironed out (with a plan to reduce Andersson's exposure to top end players)
I never said he had no value. But I have said many times I just don't see the value going up and he is showing that he is just an ok defender and occasionally will chip in on the O. At this point IMO he is not a good PP option.
Without the PP he is a 25–30-point dman who isn't good enough to match up against the other team's best players. OK on the PK but more suited for a 2nd PK role. We will get something. but it won't be as exciting as it could have been 1-2 years ago.
Should have moved on in the summer and it's time to let Parekh play quite a few more minutes a game. I'm expecting around what we got for Tanev at this point. IMO Tanev was a better pick up too.
Firstly there's going to be huge discrepencies here because Flames are giving Parekh sheltered minutes, and only a mix of PP2 time which ends up being very little overall.
Both Buium and Schaefer have been given the greenlight to just play, and play big important minutes from game 1.
Here's a break down of usage thus far:
D-Partner
Parek hasn't had a stable partner yet, playing with Pachal and Hanley so far. Almost 0 chemistry can be built here. He need's to play with Bahl or even Weegar at this point.
Buium has been paired with Bogosion.
Schaefer has been paired with Mayfield.
Ice Time
Buium - 20:57 , 18:13, 24:39, 20:10 - PP1 @ 5:48 overall PP time
Schaefer - 26:35, 26:04, 17:15 - PP1/2 @ 3:20 overall PP time
Parekh - 17:49, 17:21 - PP2 @ 2:16 overall PP time
Points
Buium - 1g 4a
Schaefer - 1g 3a
Parekh - 0
Yeah, they have to stop limiting Zayne. Let the guy play and play in the role he should be getting played.
I never said he had no value. But I have said many times I just don't see the value going up and he is showing that he is just an ok defender and occasionally will chip in on the O. At this point IMO he is not a good PP option.
Without the PP he is a 25–30-point dman who isn't good enough to match up against the other team's best players. OK on the PK but more suited for a 2nd PK role. We will get something. but it won't be as exciting as it could have been 1-2 years ago.
Should have moved on in the summer and it's time to let Parekh play quite a few more minutes a game. I'm expecting around what we got for Tanev at this point. IMO Tanev was a better pick up too.
There is little doubt that every GM will try and time the market and be wrong on what ... 35% of said calls?
This could be one of those times.
Maybe it won't be.
But the man has to set a price based on what he thinks an asset is worth and act accordingly.
To assume he isn't doing that is somewhat of a stretch in my mind.
But the people suggesting his value is tanking the day after he was likely one of the team's best three players is just bitching to hear yourself bitch.
There is little doubt that every GM will try and time the market and be wrong on what ... 35% of said calls?
This could be one of those times.
Maybe it won't be.
But the man has to set a price based on what he thinks an asset is worth and act accordingly.
To assume he isn't doing that is somewhat of a stretch in my mind.
But the people suggesting his value is tanking the day after he was likely one of the team's best three players is just bitching to hear yourself bitch.
Every day Andersson is a flame is one less day another team can capitalize on the value of his contract. Every day he moves closer to being a deadline rental which (presumably) would be a worse return than if he was traded at last years deadline. All so we could miss the playoffs and start the next season 1-3.
Every day Andersson is a flame is one less day another team can capitalize on the value of his contract. Every day he moves closer to being a deadline rental which (presumably) would be a worse return than if he was traded at last years deadline. All so we could miss the playoffs and start the next season 1-3.
It's a massive assumption because other dynamics are in play.
- At this time of year teams are the most cap constrained
- In addition, teams have yet to establish if they are a real contender such that they want to add.
So yes a negative is they get less value out of the bargain contract, but the positive is as you move towards the deadline the number of suitors opens up as cap space because available and because teams become more focused on trying to go on a deep run.
It is very rare for big deals to happen this time of year. Trading him during that constrained time, would not necessarily maximize the return.
Every day Andersson is a flame is one less day another team can capitalize on the value of his contract. Every day he moves closer to being a deadline rental which (presumably) would be a worse return than if he was traded at last years deadline. All so we could miss the playoffs and start the next season 1-3.
I know you do ... but I don't see moving one of your top four dmen with your team on the cusp of a playoff spot as feasible.
You set up the season with all kind of cap space, you add no one of value in free agency, you don't add at the deadline ... all hints of thinking long term. But you don't guy a team that has earned a right to finish a season, especially if you believe the value will be equal or higher in the summer or at the next trade deadline.
And even if you're right that surplus of what was offered in March vs what will be offered this year has to be compared to the damage you do to a dressing room and the development of an organization.
One is asset value, the other is hard to measure but the value isn't zero.
It's a massive assumption because other dynamics are in play.
- At this time of year teams are the most cap constrained
- In addition, teams have yet to establish if they are a real contender such that they want to add.
So yes a negative is they get less value out of the bargain contract, but the positive is as you move towards the deadline the number of suitors opens up as cap space because available and because teams become more focused on trying to go on a deep run.
It is very rare for big deals to happen this time of year. Trading him during that constrained time, would not necessarily maximize the return.
That’s still missing the point that players with term left on their contract fetched higher returns than rentals last year. The time to trade him was last year, now Conroy has put himself in a position of weakness for an asset that has been on a steady year over year decline. The roster on paper is not good, and so far they’re nailing expectations.
