[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We must do nothing else until we trade for or draft a number one center. Trade for no one else. Sign no one else. Draft no one else.

Yeah, you’re pretty much bang on - I also don’t see the avenue to trading for one. It just doesn’t happen in this league - as Eichel and Thornton are the rare exception.

All eyes have to be on draft picks. Increase draft opportunities, and make use of prime draft position when available (and it is there this year).

Trade Andersson for a 2026 1st round pick. That’s the hope.

[Snuffleupagus]

Guys, Robertson is a sniping winger and a good one at that but he needs a real good center to play with, he does not carry a line.

Even if he would sign here this team doesn't need another $10+m winger at all, end of story.

I would rather a center prospect and a 2nd round pick for Andersson at this point.

-Jett Luchanko +2nd
-Cole Beaudoin +2nd

[Calgary4LIfe]

Robertson is a great player, but should the Flame really be tying up that much salary on the wings? Organizationally, wing is by far the strongest and deepest area for the Flames. I am a person who believes impact - to - franchise players are needed at any position, but I really wouldn't want to spend assets to add in an area of strength, that is also the easiest to draft in, and that is also the least impactful on the ice.


Center - Defence - Goalie. Build the spine of a team with your assets.


I just think the plan is to simply draft and develop out of being a mediocre team. Whether that's drafting at the top of the draft or not, Flames will draft their core. Spending valuable assets in a position of strength (and of least importance), and then having significant cap in those areas just doesn't seem like the best asset management. If I had a great center, and didn't have a good sniper on my team, I would definitely be trying to acquire Robertson. I just don't see that it makes sense. Going out and trying to acquire top players without paying attention to the cap structure + positional need + where the Flames are in the competing spectrum just doesn't make sense to me at least.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Guys, Robertson is a sniping winger and a good one at that but he needs a real good center to play with, he does not carry a line.

Even if he would sign here this team doesn't need another $10+m winger at all, end of story.

I would rather a center prospect and a 2nd round pick for Andersson at this point.

-Jett Luchanko +2nd
-Cole Beaudoin +2nd

Why is Philly making that deal?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why is Philly making that deal?

Why not? are they full of RS top 4 dmen?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

There is a lot of delusion about Robertson’s value here. They laugh out loud at Andersson as the base of the deal before Conroy gets it out. Someone brought up Coronato….. Dallas probably asks for Andersson + Coronato and then they may listen but even that isn’t a sure thing. If they want to move of from Robertson there will be a lot of takers.

Again, Andersson has to stop getting valued as a top pair dman. His point totals have dropped year over year and his defensive play is far from shut down.

When you start with a few fundamentals (Flames players have limited to no value, Robertson is somehow worth more than Rantanen) you will understand how incredibly valuable Robertson is. I think you actually get it. 80 point wingers don’t grow on trees. This 80 point winger once had 100 points and is currently 2 years younger is somehow worth more than a player who either got 100 points or scored at a 100 point pace for the 5 seasons before he was traded but was 2 years older at the time of the trade.

The guy who had 5 straight 100 point pace campaigns was traded for a winger, a 25 year old center with a career high of 27 points in a season and a 2nd and a 4th. An offer of Rasmus, a two time Stanley Cup champion elite defensive winger who has put up 30 goals cannot compete with that offer for an inferior player. We just have to accept the facts.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Why not? are they full of RS top 4 dmen?

Because they are rebuilding and Luchenko is a key piece for them as part of that
They are virtually in the same place as the Flames in their build

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Why not? are they full of RS top 4 dmen?

Teams who are essentially rebuilding have no interest in an older dman who will require an 8 year contract at big money. Especially one who may be regressing.

Especially at the cost of a young centre prospect.

Basically the same reason why Calagry is looking to trade Andersson.

[jayswin]

Yeah, and the secret is out in the league that there is little to zero chance of re-signing Andersson if you trade for him unless you're a select few markets. And Phily isn't trading for a rental during their rebuild/re-tool.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, and the secret is out in the league that there is little to zero chance of re-signing Andersson if you trade for him unless you're a select few markets. And Phily isn't trading for a rental during their rebuild/re-tool.

You think where he would sign was a secret that not every single interested GM was aware of?

[Vinny01]

I think Andersson is open to a lot of teams but as it goes forward I have a difficult time seeing him getting more than Hanifin which was a 1st and 3rd that ultimately should have conveyed to be a 2nd but they choked in the playoffs

[Erick Estrada]

Seems like nothing other than the regular tire kicking that happens during the season. Save for a major injury or a contending team needing a shakeup, all indications are pointing to a trade deadline timeline for an Andersson trade as that's when GM's get down to business.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Robertson is a great player, but should the Flame really be tying up that much salary on the wings? Organizationally, wing is by far the strongest and deepest area for the Flames. I am a person who believes impact - to - franchise players are needed at any position, but I really wouldn't want to spend assets to add in an area of strength, that is also the easiest to draft in, and that is also the least impactful on the ice.


Center - Defence - Goalie. Build the spine of a team with your assets.


I just think the plan is to simply draft and develop out of being a mediocre team. Whether that's drafting at the top of the draft or not, Flames will draft their core. Spending valuable assets in a position of strength (and of least importance), and then having significant cap in those areas just doesn't seem like the best asset management. If I had a great center, and didn't have a good sniper on my team, I would definitely be trying to acquire Robertson. I just don't see that it makes sense. Going out and trying to acquire top players without paying attention to the cap structure + positional need + where the Flames are in the competing spectrum just doesn't make sense to me at least.

I think it's interesting how any move made for an asset, that is not a draft pick, get's viewed as an end state move for the club. If we bring in Robertson, we write him in blood on the roster for the next xxx years? I'm not saying that's not a possibility, but isn't the job of Conroy, on the transaction for Anderson, to maximize the assets he gets in return?

I'm aligned with the fact, that in an ideal world, what we need is a centre, so if you could get that for Anderson in the right age and right ability you'd prioritize that. We all know that Anderson isn't going to net us our centre of the future in the form of a current NHLer, so I get how that shifts focus to get a draft pick that could maybe be leveraged for acquiring said centre. But as soon as you start talking draft picks, aren't you now in the get the best asset category? Shouldn't Conroy be evaluating the position of likely draft pick vs. what he thinks the value of Robertson as an asset (that could be moved in future deals). For example: Suggesting that Conroy should take say the 30th overall pick in the draft, because that 30th overall pick in the draft COULD be a centre vs. taking Robertson because Robertson IS a winger is flawed logic IMO.

I don't know which asset is more valuable in this example, a late first, or Robertson, but the goal of finding our top centre is the right one, but I think if that goal isn't one transaction away with the Anderson trade, then Conroy has to maximize his asset cupboard on the trade, because that gives him the most flexibility in the future to make other deals to eventually get that asset.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I don't know which asset is more valuable in this example, a late first, or Robertson,

You don't ?

It's certainly not the late 1st!

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why is that limitation though? The Stars can use assets to trade for a RD and then trade Robertson for futures/younger players etc. Weird box to try and make a trade make sense. Conroy was apparently willing to take Hague and a 1st from Vegas, so Bischel and a 1st should get it done as well.

Ya, I wouldn't be thrilled about Bischel and a 2027 1st but I think that is a whole lot better than the Hague trade that never happened.

So that could work, but then who is trading an 18-25 yo top line LW to the Stars and how is that player helping the Stars win the cup this year? Huberdeau was ranked #16 in the league for LWers last year based on his 62 points.

Looking at the list, I do not see how your generic comment converts into an actual proposal.

Also, how is the Stars filling their #2LW spot? They have now traded away Robertson for another #1LW, Bischel and a 1st for Andersson... their cupboard is getting pretty bare for acquiring a second line LW and they have actually given up more (and gotten less back) than my proposal.

Last consideration, their cap situation might be a mess depending on the contract that comes back from the Robertson trade and the fact that they still haven't dumped Lyubushkin.

[Monahammer]

Why is everyone ignoring the possibility that acquiring Robertson and then using him to attract a younger centre in a trade is potentially the best route to take here?

If Dallas is one of the few that are super hot on Andersson, and if the other pieces required arent too heavy, having a 26 year old 100 pt scorer to trade seems like a way more viable path to acquiring a centre of note. Seattle, Anaheim, Detroit just off the top of my head would no doubt send us a whopper of a package for Robertson.

I dont think this is realistic, but if some continue to say Andersson for Robertson is really possible, then I think this is the best direction to take that windfall.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why is everyone ignoring the possibility that acquiring Robertson and then using him to attract a younger centre in a trade is potentially the best route to take here?

If Dallas is one of the few that are super hot on Andersson, and if the other pieces required arent too heavy, having a 26 year old 100 pt scorer to trade seems like a way more viable path to acquiring a centre of note. Seattle, Anaheim, Detroit just off the top of my head would no doubt send us a whopper of a package for Robertson.

I dont think this is realistic, but if some continue to say Andersson for Robertson is really possible, then I think this is the best direction to take that windfall.

If you read one of my earlier posts I did state if we trade for Robertson it would be wise to do so without an extension so we could possibly flip him to a team that wants to pay him the $12MX8 he is in line for.

Also any chance Andersson for Robertson is on the table the Flames are likely adding a significant piece

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think it's interesting how any move made for an asset, that is not a draft pick, get's viewed as an end state move for the club. If we bring in Robertson, we write him in blood on the roster for the next xxx years? I'm not saying that's not a possibility, but isn't the job of Conroy, on the transaction for Anderson, to maximize the assets he gets in return?

I'm aligned with the fact, that in an ideal world, what we need is a centre, so if you could get that for Anderson in the right age and right ability you'd prioritize that. We all know that Anderson isn't going to net us our centre of the future in the form of a current NHLer, so I get how that shifts focus to get a draft pick that could maybe be leveraged for acquiring said centre. But as soon as you start talking draft picks, aren't you now in the get the best asset category? Shouldn't Conroy be evaluating the position of likely draft pick vs. what he thinks the value of Robertson as an asset (that could be moved in future deals). For example: Suggesting that Conroy should take say the 30th overall pick in the draft, because that 30th overall pick in the draft COULD be a centre vs. taking Robertson because Robertson IS a winger is flawed logic IMO.

I don't know which asset is more valuable in this example, a late first, or Robertson, but the goal of finding our top centre is the right one, but I think if that goal isn't one transaction away with the Anderson trade, then Conroy has to maximize his asset cupboard on the trade, because that gives him the most flexibility in the future to make other deals to eventually get that asset.

This is very well said and exactly what I was talking about with Buffalo and the bad deals they make simply because they want to get out of the rut they are in. They only look at players that could help them now and never look at what additional more valuable assets could land you 2 or 3 moves from now. A team that bad annually is short a 2nd in 2026 and has 0 additional picks in the next 3 years in the 1dt 3 rounds simply because they refuse to add picks deal because they want to end the rebuild.

Jason Robertson is worth more than Ras is at the deadline.

Jason Robertson is worth signing as well. We have too many wingers but most of our wingers are young and do not have trade protection. If the contract is one that Conroy is comfortable with, we could look at moving other players to get picks.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why is everyone ignoring the possibility that acquiring Robertson and then using him to attract a younger centre in a trade is potentially the best route to take here?

If Dallas is one of the few that are super hot on Andersson, and if the other pieces required arent too heavy, having a 26 year old 100 pt scorer to trade seems like a way more viable path to acquiring a centre of note. Seattle, Anaheim, Detroit just off the top of my head would no doubt send us a whopper of a package for Robertson.

I dont think this is realistic, but if some continue to say Andersson for Robertson is really possible, then I think this is the best direction to take that windfall.

SJ and Misa could be an option. Taking advantage of the extra players and the cap makes some of this possible.

Dallas is in win now mode, has cap issues and is weak at center and depth d.

Kadri and Ras for Robertson makes sense to me for both teams.

Robertson fits better with the younger teams like SJ, Anaheim, or Seattle.

Robertson and Veg 1st for Misa or Wright/Catton/O'Brien or McTavish (maybe not anymore) could make sense for these teams.

[PepsiFree]

The benefit of the position the Flames are in is that they need a lot to open their window and have a lot they don’t need for where they’re currently at. So while some might say “why not skip Calgary and just trade Robertson for x return that Calgary would trade him for,” a team like Dallas is in their window and their focus is on getting over the top. A team like Anaheim or San Jose should be focused on the final pieces to open their window. What San Jose or Anaheim can offer Dallas might not be what the latter needs right now or what the former is willing to give up, which is where a team with more work to do, more vets, and a longer lead time to contention can come in.