[PGT] Flames lose to Vancouver

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well, no, comparing playoff numbers to regular season numbers isn’t apples to apples at all

Regular season numbers include a lot of games against non playoff teams

I have pointed it out before - Wolf ran the tables against the bottom 3 teams in each conference and wasn’t far off .500 otherwise

Since the entire exercise is about comparing playoff numbers to regular-season numbers, you can't get out that way. The Cobra was making exactly that comparison to try to prove that Kiprusoff was better in the playoffs than in the regular season. But you would have to look specifically at those seasons where he (a) played a heavy schedule in the regular season, and (b) actually made the playoffs.

[Johnny Makarov]

Jesus. We never won with Kipper after 2004 wasn't because he was burnt out and played poorly. It was because we could only score 1 goal a game on what could have been some of the worst offensive teams in NHL playoff history....

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Jesus. We never won with Kipper after 2004 wasn't because he was burnt out and played poorly. It was because we could only score 1 goal a game on what could have been some of the worst offensive teams in NHL playoff history....

And then the last year with Keenan, the only year his stats weren’t excellent, happened to be when the team was in fact playing with many broken players

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Since the entire exercise is about comparing playoff numbers to regular-season numbers, you can't get out that way. The Cobra was making exactly that comparison to try to prove that Kiprusoff was better in the playoffs than in the regular season. But you would have to look specifically at those seasons where he (a) played a heavy schedule in the regular season, and (b) actually made the playoffs.

Yeah I don’t know what the value is in this conversation to be honest

A first round out has 1 opponent and is pretty much statistically insignificant

But he was always good in the playoffs and never the reason they didn’t advance

[D as in David]

In hindsight, they should have played Cooley. They agqin lose badly to the point that we are saying, in hindsight, they should have played Wolf.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But you would have to look specifically at those seasons where he (a) played a heavy schedule in the regular season, and (b) actually made the playoffs.

2/4 years he had a better SP in the playoffs. 05/06 similar.

08/09 He was without Regehr and Giordano in the playoffs vs an upcoming dynasty and was not great during the season either ( Keenan to blame)


2005–06 Calgary Flames NHL 74 42 20 — 11 4,379 151 10 2.07 .923 7 3 4 428 16 0 2.24 .921
2006–07 Calgary Flames NHL 74 40 24 — 9 4,419 181 7 2.46 .917 6 2 4 383 18 0 2.81 .929
2007–08 Calgary Flames NHL 76 39 26 — 10 4,398 197 2 2.69 .906 7 2 4 336 18 1 3.21 .908
2008–09 Calgary Flames NHL 76 45 24 — 5 4,418 209 4 2.84 .903 6 2 4 324 19 0 3.52 .884

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Jesus. We never won with Kipper after 2004 wasn't because he was burnt out and played poorly. It was because we could only score 1 goal a game on what could have been some of the worst offensive teams in NHL playoff history....

For a couple of Kipper's prime years we were relying on the likes of David Moss to chip in goals.

Backlund was the team's best young player. He's never been a scorer

Not exactly a recipe for success..

And the few high skill forwards we brought in were pure playmakers - i.e. Alex Tanguay and Kristian Huselius

It wasn't until we brought in Cammalleri that we had a guy that was in Iggy's league for putting pucks in the net, and that was when the core was starting its decline.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by D as in David

In hindsight, they should have played Cooley. They agqin lose badly to the point that we are saying, in hindsight, they should have played Wolf.

Lol probably.

If we knew they'd lose no matter what though, better that Cooley be in for that one. No need to ride Wolf that hard to start.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

On the one hand, they look offensively inert and the third pair is not NHL caliber.

On the other, there’s a solution to both sitting in the press box.

On to St Louis.

Hopefully that was a lesson for Huska.

And it goes back to last season. Not playing Parekh earlier down the stretch may have actually cost them the playoffs (sat him vs Anaheim where they had many PPs they couldnt cash in on and wind up losing that fateful point in OT).

Hopefully Huska finally learns

USE YOUR PP WEAPON. Special teams decide games now more than ever

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hopefully that was a lesson for Huska.

And it goes back to last season. Not playing Parekh earlier down the stretch may have actually cost them the playoffs (sat him vs Anaheim where they had many PPs they couldnt cash in on and wind up losing that fateful point in OT).

Hopefully Huska finally learns

USE YOUR PP WEAPON. Special teams decide games now more than ever

We thought we got rid of these issues once Sutter was fired... but here we are

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

For a couple of Kipper's prime years we were relying on the likes of David Moss to chip in goals.

Backlund was the team's best young player. He's never been a scorer

Not exactly a recipe for success..

And the few high skill forwards we brought in were pure playmakers - i.e. Alex Tanguay and Kristian Huselius

It wasn't until we brought in Cammalleri that we had a guy that was in Iggy's league for putting pucks in the net, and that was when the core was starting its decline.

Wasted opportunities, 09 was tough with injuries but 06.. if we just acquired one more scorer...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hopefully that was a lesson for Huska.

And it goes back to last season. Not playing Parekh earlier down the stretch may have actually cost them the playoffs (sat him vs Anaheim where they had many PPs they couldnt cash in on and wind up losing that fateful point in OT).

Hopefully Huska finally learns

USE YOUR PP WEAPON. Special teams decide games now more than ever

Parekh also has to be responsible defensively when he's not on the PP.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

USE YOUR PP WEAPON. Special teams decide games now more than ever

In the 80s and early 90s, teams would often get as many as 10 power plays in a game. It wasn't unheard of for 30 minutes out of 60 to be played at uneven strength, and a team with a good power play could reasonably expect to average a power play goal per game.

Last season no team scored more than 64 PPG, and the median was 49.5.

We're a very long way from special teams deciding more games than they did back then.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hopefully that was a lesson for Huska.

And it goes back to last season. Not playing Parekh earlier down the stretch may have actually cost them the playoffs (sat him vs Anaheim where they had many PPs they couldnt cash in on and wind up losing that fateful point in OT).

Hopefully Huska finally learns

USE YOUR PP WEAPON. Special teams decide games now more than ever

I mean they went 6-0-2 down the stretch
Hard to questions his decisions when his team ripped off that type of streak when they needed to

[activeStick]

I was excited to see Parekh yesterday too, but I think the coaches are going to manage him the same way they managed Wolf last year. They shielded Wolf from the tougher teams and put Vladar in the "scheduled losses" or back-to-backs, etc. until they felt he looked ready for prime time and the pressure that comes with it. I think this might be why he was sat for the first two road games and likely starts on Saturday (bottom pairing in the best situation as possible against opponents' bottom lines and on the PP). They'll evaluate after every game and take things slow with him. I'm expecting him to be a healthy scratch often this year on the road and see limited ice time in games he gets into based on the situation and how he's going in the game. They're going to put him in situations where they think he's the least overmatched and slowly move him up in level of difficulty if Parekh shows progress. We saw it work very well with Wolf, where they went slow and then eventually gave him the reins and I'm guessing they'll do the same with Parekh with similar success. It'll be frustrating to listen to people constantly complain about giving him more ice, but it'll likely work out way better than throwing him into the top 4 consistently or all situations without much regard of match ups or situations for an 19 year old defenceman and how that impacts a player long term if things don't go so well.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Hopefully that was a lesson for Huska.

And it goes back to last season. Not playing Parekh earlier down the stretch may have actually cost them the playoffs (sat him vs Anaheim where they had many PPs they couldnt cash in on and wind up losing that fateful point in OT).

Hopefully Huska finally learns

USE YOUR PP WEAPON. Special teams decide games now more than ever

They were one of the best teams in the NHL down the stretch come on now...he may have got them a PP goal sure. He also might have cost them a few.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Dion

Parekh also has to be responsible defensively when he's not on the PP.

Sure. But if huska is that concerned play 11-7. Its worth what you can add on the PP

At home they can control match ups so I assume thats what he is waiting for

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They were one of the best teams in the NHL down the stretch come on now...he may have got them a PP goal sure. He also might have cost them a few.

Anaheim was one of the weaker teams down the stretch. That's why you play him there. And why people were justifying it at the time.

One PP goal, either from ZP or a teammate he sets up = playoffs.

ZP was playing like a well oiled machine at that point as he was fresh off his historic OHL season.

[dino7c]

How many PP points did Zayne have in those preseason games even?
I think its a major stretch to say that cost them the playoffs

actually I think its flat out wrong

[Sandman]

In both games so far, Farabee has been second in TOI for forwards, only to Kadri.