[PGT] Flames lose to Vancouver

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well Hunter B is certainly going to factor in as a TJ Brodie type #4. Guys like Mews, Jamieson and Morin are certainly good prospects that can compliment Bahl, Parekh and Weegar. If one of these 3 hits as well you've got yourself a defense core for the next 6-7 years.

I am not saying they are not good prospects but none are sure thing

We have as good or better prospects on defense over the year that never become anything. Defense is hard in the NHL.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The Canucks have a lot of questionable forwards, but if their stars play well and Demko stays healthy, they have elite players that are better than anyone we have other than Wolf.

It's early and we will see, but the PGT after the Oilers game had a few posters call out the posters who think this team could be bottom 5. From what I saw, the Oilers gave us that game. At time we played well, and we played well once we got the momentum, but it was not a good game for the Flames. Not sure how anyone after that game could be very confident in this group.

Pettersson bouncing back is key to their success. Hughes is a franchise player, Demko/Lankinen is one of the top tandems in the league. If Pettersson can be the 100pt center they paid him to be the Canucks will be in the battle with Vegas/Edmonton at the top of the division.

The Flames just do not have the fire power or depth on the back end to be a serious team in my opinion. I also think the org is doing the right thing focusing on the youth and not spending cap and assets to try and win now.

It really all comes down to the start. I think if the Flames play well in the first 15 they will be in the race all year (barring injury) but I have a feeling this team might be out early and names like Coleman and Kadri will pop up along Andersson in the rumor mill.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

High Danger chances were 8-5 Flames the D wasn't really a big issue
expected goals 2.6 each

bad bounces, bad goals, poor finish

Other than the open net goal, all of the Canucks' goals were blocker side -- either mid-body under the blocker or Boeser's top corner blocker side snipe. (Chytil's shot that hit Bahl was also shot towards the same side)

Top corner snipes are potentially problematic for him (Mangiapane went top glove side), although he's been able to handle all but the best shots, but I don't recall a pattern on those blocker side shots. That might be partly a result of the back-to-back that he just wasn't as sharp, or it could be a bit of an area he needs to work on.

I'm curious to see if he'll see a lot more shots there in his next few starts.

[iamca]

I do not understand the NHL scheduling process.

It’s beginning of the season (first 3 days) and the Flames draw back to back games on the road. I realize that the league attempts to make the number of back to back games fairly equitable for every team, but I don’t understand why they start the season with these two games?

It may not be the direct cause of the loss last night, but it is certainly a factor, especially with the OT, long shootout, and travel.


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[Erick Estrada]

I didn't agree with starting Wolf in back to backs this early in the season. Just a wasted start as the team was not as sharp and the outcome wouldn't have been any different had they started Cooley. The Canucks weren't particularly great but had more legs as this one was kind of a snoozer save for the suspect officiating.

I would love to see a detailed explanation of the two reversed 5 minute majors and how they viewed both plays very similarly when one was clearly a 5 minute boarding penalty while the other you really had to look hard for excuses to even apply a 2 minute penalty.

[cannon7]

Flames just couldn't finish. Lost count of how many wide open nets they missed.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How is the D good shape long term? They have 2 sure dman in Weegar and Bahl. And one blue chip prospect.

Many things still have to come together for the defense

Well sure but that's the case with any re-build. But they've got a lot of strong dmen coming through the pipeline. Will some of them need to hit? Of course. That's always the case. But they've got guys that align to key roles if they do. Within the forward group they don't.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Flames just couldn't finish. Lost count of how many wide open nets they missed.

Yeah if they hit the open net a couple of times it's a different game. Hopefully just fatigue and rust given the situation.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not saying they are not good prospects but none are sure thing

We have as good or better prospects on defense over the year that never become anything. Defense is hard in the NHL.

Can you outline a plan for a re-build that is a "sure thing".
Curious what that looks like.

[TheIronMaiden]

Just so stupid to play wolf 3 times in 4 nights.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So, half the time? He's 8 and 8.

No, every time. So 8 times.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Just so stupid to play wolf 3 times in 4 nights.

It's a testament to what our coaching staff thinks of our backup goaltending, I think. We need to get a better backup over here. I don't think Cooley is the solution, and still iffy on Prosvetov.

[troutman]

Game could have gone either way and then they ran out of gas.

[Monahammer]

The best thing for the club would be to pick high this year.

I will always cheer for a win against the oilers, so damn good of the boys to pull a rabbit out of the hat on game 1. But I, pretty reasonably just looking at the lineup, don't really expect them to pull out a lot of wins this season. Hanley is a regular member of our top 4. We have maybe 1 first line player, probably a strong second line player on a contender. Our coach isn't even playing our star rookie dman.

It's going to be ok. Just relax and let it happen this year.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Just so stupid to play wolf 3 times in 4 nights.

I don’t think it is a problem. He is 24.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Just so stupid to play wolf 3 times in 4 nights.

That’s what he is getting paid to do

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How is the D good shape long term? They have 2 sure dman in Weegar and Bahl. And one blue chip prospect.

Many things still have to come together for the defense

He's talking pipeline.

The Flames system leans strongly to defensemen at this point.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not saying they are not good prospects but none are sure thing

We have as good or better prospects on defense over the year that never become anything. Defense is hard in the NHL.

The post was on drafting and adding offensive talent up front through the draft.

So pointing out that the team's pipeline strength is moot because they won't all make it is completely missing the point.

You want a balanced pipeline and getting some elite forward help would do just that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The best thing for the club would be to pick high this year.

I will always cheer for a win against the oilers, so damn good of the boys to pull a rabbit out of the hat on game 1. But I, pretty reasonably just looking at the lineup, don't really expect them to pull out a lot of wins this season. Hanley is a regular member of our top 4. We have maybe 1 first line player, probably a strong second line player on a contender. Our coach isn't even playing our star rookie dman.

It's going to be ok. Just relax and let it happen this year.

This is 100% the approach I'm taking and a great way to put it.
I can't bother to be stressed about what happens this year at all including because we have our own pick. Last year it sucked because of that element.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well Hunter B is certainly going to factor in as a TJ Brodie type #4. Guys like Mews, Jamieson and Morin are certainly good prospects that can compliment Bahl, Parekh and Weegar. If one of these 3 hits as well you've got yourself a defense core for the next 6-7 years.

There is no certainty of Hunter B becoming a TJ Brodie, who generally had a very long and successful career.

And Weegar won’t be Weggar for 6-7 years.