[Signing] McDavid (2 yrs, $12.5mil AAV) and Walman ($7mi x7) sign extensions with Oilers

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Ok, what ####ing dirt does Walman have on this management team. 7x7? For a 29 year old bottom 6 dman???

Holy that is bad.

Well technically bottom 6 D could still be 1D... Jk sorry I couldn't resist but I do agree, if your top two of three dman in terms of $ is Nurse and Walman (and bouchard but he probably deserves it) you're hooped.

[Mr.Coffee]

That Walman contract is crazy bad. It’s $750k more per season than Weegar…!

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

That Walman contract is crazy bad. It’s $750k more per season than Weegar…!

That is what the media and Oilers fans aren't looking at. McDavid's contract is a steal, but its 3 more years. If you do a look at best contracts in the next 3 years, is McDavid #1? Probably year 3, but that is 1 year and then he is a UFA.

Makar 2 @ $9M
Kucherov 2 @ $9.5M
Barkov 5 @ $10M
Tkachuk 5 @ $9.5M
Reinhart 6 @ $8.65M
Forsling 6 @ $5.75M
Weegar 6 @ $6.25M
Ekblad 8 @ $6.1M
Point 5 @ $9.5M
Hagel 6 @ $6.5M
MacKinnon 6 @ $12.6M
J Hughes 5 @ $8M
T Thompson 5 @ $7.14M

Probably missed a few and McDavid for the next 3 is top 5 for sure. But you can make a case that Kucherov, Barkov and Makar all have better cap hits for the next 2 years. Barkov and MacKinnon have 5 years left on steal contracts.

Mcdavid did the Oilers a favour and increased their chances of keeping it going, but they still need prospects to make an impact and need to overpay to keep other players. They need a goalie and elite dman too. I don't see them having huge cap space to add both of those pieces until 27/28, by then Mcdavid is a UFA again and the team is very old.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I hope it ends up like the Iginla trade for the Oilers. Bruins had the better offer but the peguins was Iginlas veto If my older brain remembers. Bruins won it all and iggy choose wrong. I'd like Edmonton experience that as well.

Not quite remembering right. Bruins lost in the final last year, maybe Iggy might've put them over the top? But the neither of the players Boston offered had significant NHL careers so the Boston offer was just as meh as the Pittsburgh offer in the end.

[McG]

I think that Mavi is naive here. He’s trusting that if he takes less, there’s an incentive for the oilers to suddenly spend the savings prudently. There is zero evidence of that happening in the past, present or future.

Whatever cap jail Mavi helps the oilers out of, they put themselves right back in.

Let’s face it, the Glitter Twins will not be playing less this season. Or next season.

I’ve even heard that they will be penalty killing! Neither of the glitter twins are blocking shots or putting their bodies on the line.

How can they stay healthy?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I think he meant they have just one year of certainty under the new contract. Prior to the start of year two all the same questions will arise. Deja vu pretty quickly.

Well I guess they have this year and next year of "certainty". He is signed for three years and can't extend for at least another two years.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well I guess they have this year and next year of "certainty". He is signed for three years and can't extend for at least another two years.

That's not the point being made though.

Under the new contract they only have one year of certainty. Yes, they will still have him under contract that last year but will have to worry again about whether or not he might not want to extend so they will have to consider trading him.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That's not the point being made though.

Under the new contract they only have one year of certainty. Yes, they will still have him under contract that last year but will have to worry again about whether or not he might not want to extend so they will have to consider trading him.

They have gained two years of certainty – counting this year, which is the last year of the old contract. They no longer have to spend this year wondering if he's going to re-sign.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They have gained two years of certainty – counting this year, which is the last year of the old contract. They no longer have to spend this year wondering if he's going to re-sign.

Yes, but the point of discussion was about the new extension. Not the new extension added onto the year he has left.

One of them said for him a 2 year deal really is just like a one year extension as they will all be in the same boat two years from now as they were yesterday.

So they don't have to worry next season(26-27) about whether he's staying or going. But once next season ends they're back to the same uncertainty they had before yesterday.

[CliffFletcher]

No need for conspiracy theories to explain this contract. McDavid is still going to wind up with around $250 mil in lifetime career earnings. Once you’re looking at those figures, money ceases to have practical value - the big numbers become just a status game. And for someone like McDavid, a Cup legacy will mean much more status than bigger numbers in his bank account when he dies. If his kids resent inheriting only $34 mil each instead of $38 mil, then they’re wretched ingrates.

Whether the Oilers use that cap space effectively is out of McDavid’s hands. But he’s given them a better shot. And when he leaves at the end of the contract, it’ll be pretty tough for Oiler’s fans to cast McDavid as a villain.

[Jason14h]

It’s also a lot more tax effective to have McDavid LLC make $10 million in endorsements then extra money paid in salary

😏

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

No need for conspiracy theories to explain this contract. McDavid is still going to wind up with around $250 mil in lifetime career earnings. Once you’re looking at those figures, money ceases to have practical value - the big numbers become just a status game. And for someone like McDavid, a Cup legacy will mean much more status than bigger numbers in his bank account when he dies. If his kids resent inheriting only $34 mil each instead of $38 mil, then they’re wretched ingrates.

Whether the Oilers use that cap space effectively is out of McDavid’s hands. But he’s given them a better shot. And when he leaves at the end of the contract, it’ll be pretty tough for Oiler’s fans to cast McDavid as a villain.

This is what I think he was most afraid of. So, taking a 2-year discount is your answer? Alrighty then. As we've already discussed, doubt the space gets used for anything good. They always overpay.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yes, but the point of discussion was about the new extension. Not the new extension added onto the year he has left.

The point was how many years of certainty they now have that he is not leaving at the end of the year. That number is now two rather than zero.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The point was how many years of certainty they now have that he is not leaving at the end of the year. That number is now two rather than zero.

No, what I quoted was the point of discussion. It's what Strange Brew questioned.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Inferno

No, what I quoted was the point of discussion. It's what Strange Brew questioned.

Here is the original remark:

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

One of them said for him a 2 year deal really is just like a one year extension as they will all be in the same boat two years from now as they were yesterday. So for them even the bridge is disappointing.

This is ridiculous. If McDavid had extended for only one year, they would be in the same position (worrying about losing him at the end of the year) one year from now. Since it's a two-year extension, that happens two years from now.

The Oiler fans that Manhattanboy was quoting were stupid and wrong, as befits Oiler fans. The two-year extension has kicked the can down the road by two years, not one.

Believe it or not, I can not only read simple declarative English sentences, I can also count to two.

[My2Cents]

I think it’s pretty clear that McDavid is drinking the Kool aid. Hard to make sense of this contract otherwise.

I will admit tho, I didn’t see him actually taking less to stay in Edmonton. Pleasantly surprised even though E always = NG.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

This is ridiculous. If McDavid had extended for only one year, they would be in the same position (worrying about losing him at the end of the year) one year from now. Since it's a two-year extension, that happens two years from now.

And that's what they said.

The Oiler fans that Manhattanboy was quoting were stupid and wrong, as befits Oiler fans. The two-year extension has kicked the can down the road by two years, not one.

But they're talking about just the extension. Not this year added to the extension.

They mean it's just a year extension of certainty and then they're back to where they were before yesterday hoping he extends again. They wanted him to sign a long term contract like Pissy.

It's really not that hard to understand.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by My2Cents

I think it’s pretty clear that McDavid is drinking the Kool aid. Hard to make sense of this contract otherwise.

I will admit tho, I didn’t see him actually taking less to stay in Edmonton. Pleasantly surprised even though E always = NG.

It is also possible that he or his agent realize that his legacy is a now choice between Iginla or Lindros, that his chances of a cup are now hooped due to his age and cost, he is making sure he looks like a team guy that always will have a team to belong to after retirement

[Manhattanboy]

Agreed Inferno I think that’s what they were saying.

I can say they were kinda meh about the whole thing, the assumption being McDavid was not going to start the season without some kind of extension. And the fact that he didn’t take a pay raise didn’t seem to mean that much to these guys in any event.

They wanted him locked down long term.

[My2Cents]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It is also possible that he or his agent realize that his legacy is a now choice between Iginla or Lindros, that his chances of a cup are now hooped due to his age and cost, he is making sure he looks like a team guy that always will have a team to belong to after retirement

Good point. And if he stays slightly longer than the team is decent, no one will fault him for leaving. If he left now I agree that his legacy could look worse.

In two years, especially if the team isnt great and hasnt been great for a year or two no one will blame him for leaving.

Risky though