Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Sylvanfan]

From this thread.

ATA membership of 51,000 but as far as I know no breakdown on how many are full time, part time, substitute, or student.

350,000 students under the age of 12.

The deal that's been rejected is 4 years. They've also been without a contract for just over a year as well. So right now there will be at least a year of back pay.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I know it’s pointless and semantic but does anyone have the rough number of:
- number of unionized teachers?
- number of children under grade 6?
- contract length? 5 year?

Just want to do rough numbers of salary increase that could be paid with this absurd 30 buck thing with # of days on strike vs contract on the other axis that could have been paid for.

I think the contract length is 5 years.

The rest of the math doesn't really matter because the government is going to use the budget that would have been allocated to pay the teachers to instead give the money to the parents. It is a pretty gross tactic when you consider that Smith is using what should be the teacher's salaries to try and bribe the parents of Alberta. But they are not dipping into another amount of money to do the $30 thing.

The better questions would be:
- How much money is the government wasting on the advertising campaign to trash on the teachers?
- How well could they pay the teachers if they stopped subsidizing private schools? (This report suggests it is $461M per year to private schools and child-care facilities, which is up $43M from last year and they plan to raise it to $544M by 2027/8)
- How well could they pay the teachers if they stopped subsidizing charter schools? (or move them back into the public system)
- How much of our money are they wasting on the Alberta Next panel where they insult and threaten children?
- How much of an impact has their funding formula had on the system? "This formula was criticized by the ATA, and public and separate school boards for penalizing large urban school divisions with fast-growing enrollment to benefit rural districts with stagnant or declining enrollment."

[Eric Vail]

All the contract proposals have been for four years so far.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I think the contract length is 5 years.

The rest of the math doesn't really matter because the government is going to use the budget that would have been allocated to pay the teachers to instead give the money to the parents. It is a pretty gross tactic when you consider that Smith is using what should be the teacher's salaries to try and bribe the parents of Alberta. But they are not dipping into another amount of money to do the $30 thing.

The better questions would be:
- How much money is the government wasting on the advertising campaign to trash on the teachers?
- How well could they pay the teachers if they stopped subsidizing private schools? (This report suggests it is $461M per year to private schools and child-care facilities, which is up $43M from last year and they plan to raise it to $544M by 2027/8)
- How well could they pay the teachers if they stopped subsidizing charter schools? (or move them back into the public system)
- How much of our money are they wasting on the Alberta Next panel where they insult and threaten children?
- How much of an impact has their funding formula had on the system? "This formula was criticized by the ATA, and public and separate school boards for penalizing large urban school divisions with fast-growing enrollment to benefit rural districts with stagnant or declining enrollment."

Careful, those kinds of questions will get you a good spankin'.

[puffnstuff]

Alberta premier blames Ottawa for Imperial Oil job cuts, but experts say it's a global trend

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.7647315

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says Imperial Oil's plan to#lay off roughly 20 per cent of its#workforce#by 2027 is "very disappointing," laying the blame on Ottawa and reinforcing the need to build pipelines.

"The industry for the last 10 years has been hampered and hobbled by federal government decisions," Smith said Tuesday.

"If we can realize the aspiration of building our pipelines north, south, east and west, doubling our production, then there's a lot of opportunity for people to be able to get reemployed in this sector."

"This is what happens when you have uncertainty," Smith said. "And this is part of the reason why we have to work very quickly to get to a resolution with Ottawa so that we can start building [pipelines] again."


She only has one setting 'blame Ottawa!'

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Alberta premier blames Ottawa for Imperial Oil job cuts, but experts say it's a global trend

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.7647315

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says Imperial Oil's plan to#lay off roughly 20 per cent of its#workforce#by 2027 is "very disappointing," laying the blame on Ottawa and reinforcing the need to build pipelines.

"The industry for the last 10 years has been hampered and hobbled by federal government decisions," Smith said Tuesday.

"If we can realize the aspiration of building our pipelines north, south, east and west, doubling our production, then there's a lot of opportunity for people to be able to get reemployed in this sector."

"This is what happens when you have uncertainty," Smith said. "And this is part of the reason why we have to work very quickly to get to a resolution with Ottawa so that we can start building [pipelines] again."


She only has one setting 'blame Ottawa!'

Well, she is mostly right when it comes to blaming federal policies for lack of oil and gas investments.

Banning oil tankers, requiring federal approval for pipelines, TransMountain requiring government ownership to get built, industrial cap on emissions...all of these things matter a lot to companies when deciding whether they are willing to invest in the country.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Well, she is mostly right when it comes to blaming federal policies for lack of oil and gas investments.

Banning oil tankers, requiring federal approval for pipelines, TransMountain requiring government ownership to get built, industrial cap on emissions...all of these things matter a lot to companies willing to invest in the country.

Well, perhaps you should actually read what experts have to say about it instead of just backing Smith’s desire to make it about whatever she wants to make it about.

This doesn’t seem much more thought out than your funny comments about shipping economics.

[puffnstuff]

Alberta's oil production rose to a record 4.32 million barrels a day in July#2025

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Alberta premier blames Ottawa for Imperial Oil job cuts, but experts say it's a global trend

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.7647315

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says Imperial Oil's plan to#lay off roughly 20 per cent of its#workforce#by 2027 is "very disappointing," laying the blame on Ottawa and reinforcing the need to build pipelines.

"The industry for the last 10 years has been hampered and hobbled by federal government decisions," Smith said Tuesday.

"If we can realize the aspiration of building our pipelines north, south, east and west, doubling our production, then there's a lot of opportunity for people to be able to get reemployed in this sector."

"This is what happens when you have uncertainty," Smith said. "And this is part of the reason why we have to work very quickly to get to a resolution with Ottawa so that we can start building [pipelines] again."


She only has one setting 'blame Ottawa!'

It makes you wonder how things would be going in Alberta had she not totally screwed the $33B in investments in the renewable industry that she drove away.

$33,000,000,000 of investment that Smith personally ruined and eliminated from our economy with all of the jobs and benefits that would have come with all of that money.

I would really love some reporters to ask her about that each time she cries about lost investment opportunity. $33B.

[Looch City]

Schrodinger's oil and gas investment.

If it's not there, it's the LIBRULS FAULT!

If it's there, thank your local CONSERVATIVES AND BOW TO THEM!

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, perhaps you should actually read what experts have to say about it instead of just backing Smith’s desire to make it about whatever she wants to make it about.

This doesn’t seem much more thought out than your funny comments about shipping economics.

Yes, 2 decades of environmentalist campaigns, carbon taxes (and the flip flops) lack of tidewater access (and the refusal to build more pipe capacity) the demonization of "tar sands" and our fed government doing everything it can to make it more difficult to extract resources has had zero impact on this. It's just worldwide trends.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Alberta premier blames Ottawa for Imperial Oil job cuts, but experts say it's a global trend

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.7647315

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says Imperial Oil's plan to#lay off roughly 20 per cent of its#workforce#by 2027 is "very disappointing," laying the blame on Ottawa and reinforcing the need to build pipelines.

"The industry for the last 10 years has been hampered and hobbled by federal government decisions," Smith said Tuesday.

"If we can realize the aspiration of building our pipelines north, south, east and west, doubling our production, then there's a lot of opportunity for people to be able to get reemployed in this sector."

"This is what happens when you have uncertainty," Smith said. "And this is part of the reason why we have to work very quickly to get to a resolution with Ottawa so that we can start building [pipelines] again."


She only has one setting 'blame Ottawa!'

She is the one causing uncertainty with all this BS about separating from Canada and crap. Does she think that large companies are just letting that go?
Also she is saying that she wants work with Ottawa but anytime they try to do anything she is yelling and passing bills to block it, no matter how much it helps us.

[IliketoPuck]

The feds have absolutely contributed to the problem. But I sure didn't see a whole lot of success from the Harper conservatives either on the O&G file.

You know what else has contributed to the problem? Six decades of (slightly) interrupted conservative control of our province, culminating in the current iteration of whatever the hell this anti-democratic garbage is we are currently having to deal with.

We love to complain in Alberta that we are always getting screwed by the federal government, while at the same time lauding our own entrepreneurial free spirit. We then turn around and vote like a bunch of sheep for the same party because, and really I have no other explanation, we like the color blue?

People point to Quebec as a great example of using provincial separatist threats to get concessions. You know why Quebec gets concessions? Because they are willing to throw their federal MPs to the curb without a second thought in any given election. And the MPs know it. Alberta throws their vote away every single election because we predictably only vote conservative. It's the cushiest job in federal politics, by far; just ask my MP (Rempel). Pretty sure the only time I see her face is when it pops up on posters at election time. It sure isn't because she's getting anything done in Ottawa.

This province needs:

1. A PST to reduce our reliance on oil and gas prices to balance our budget.
2. Re-investment into the heritage fund and a moratorium on withdrawals for a 20 year period.
3. Re-investment into our education and health care systems (Lougheed model).
4. A relentless focus on attracting all forms of investment (energy, tech, renewable, etc. etc.), not just ones that align with the current political ideology of a bunch of wild rose grifters.

Where's that bike meme with the stick and the spokes and blaming someone else for your own stupidity when you need it?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Yes, 2 decades of environmentalist campaigns, carbon taxes (and the flip flops) lack of tidewater access (and the refusal to build more pipe capacity) the demonization of "tar sands" and our fed government doing everything it can to make it more difficult to extract resources has had zero impact on this. It's just worldwide trends.

What flip flops? Even with recent move to eliminate the consumer carbon tax, the plan is still to have an industrial/commercial carbon tax. This is a requirement to have good trade relations with other progressive countries (EU, UK, Japan, etc).

Also, what do you expect to happen with fossil fuels as renewables continue to surge? Are you one of those rock crunchers who argues that O&G FORAVA is a lifestyle?

Smith drove away $33B in investment in renewables from Alberta. Why isn't your corporatist heart bleeding for that?

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

^nothing at all. There’s no legal remedy.

Why not, now, Whynotnow?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Wolven

What flip flops? Even with recent move to eliminate the consumer carbon tax, the plan is still to have an industrial/commercial carbon tax. This is a requirement to have good trade relations with other progressive countries (EU, UK, Japan, etc).

Also, what do you expect to happen with fossil fuels as renewables continue to surge? Are you one of those rock crunchers who argues that O&G FORAVA is a lifestyle?

Smith drove away $33B in investment in renewables from Alberta. Why isn't your corporatist heart bleeding for that?

Oil and gas consumption has increased and continues to increase every year, that's not changing. Canada has objectively left money on the table over the last 20 years and it's not coming back.

[IliketoPuck]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...c32e2ff7&ei=17

But, let's never let a good opportunity to politicize something slip by, eh?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Yes, 2 decades of environmentalist campaigns, carbon taxes (and the flip flops) lack of tidewater access (and the refusal to build more pipe capacity) the demonization of "tar sands" and our fed government doing everything it can to make it more difficult to extract resources has had zero impact on this. It's just worldwide trends.

“We decided to spend $330 million to take advantage of new and emerging technology to increase efficiency which we hope to recoup in savings over the next several years… AND IT’S ALL BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CAMPAIGNS!’”

Sounds well reasoned.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...c32e2ff7&ei=17

But, let's never let a good opportunity to politicize something slip by, eh?

How could the Liberal government let this happen?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Oil and gas consumption has increased and continues to increase every year, that's not changing. Canada has objectively left money on the table over the last 20 years and it's not coming back.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.







Oh, you're being serious?