The A.I. Thread

[indes]

I was messing around with AI and was wondering what would become of Canada if we end up introducing CBDCs and AI governance.

�� Scenario 1: Canada Under Techno-Socialism (2035–2045)
Overview
Canada embraces AGI and CBDCs to build a highly automated, equitable society. The government uses AGI to manage public services, economic planning, and environmental sustainability.

Key Features
Universal Basic Income (UBI) funded by AGI-driven productivity.
CBDCs used to ensure transparent, programmable welfare distribution.
AGI-managed healthcare and education, tailored to individual needs.
Carbon-neutral infrastructure, optimized by AI.
Reduced private sector dominance, with many services nationalized or cooperatively managed.
Benefits
Near-zero poverty and unemployment.
Efficient use of resources and reduced waste.
High levels of public trust in institutions (if transparency is maintained).
Strong social cohesion and environmental stewardship.
Risks
Over-centralization of power.
Surveillance concerns due to CBDC tracking.
Potential stagnation in innovation if entrepreneurship is discouraged.
Dependence on AGI systems—vulnerable to cyber threats or systemic failures.

��️ Scenario 2: Canada Under Techno-Capitalism (2035–2045)
Overview
AGI and CBDCs are adopted, but the private sector dominates. Tech giants control AGI systems, and CBDCs are used to enhance financial efficiency rather than equity.

Key Features
AGI-driven corporations dominate production, logistics, and innovation.
CBDCs used for real-time taxation and consumer analytics.
Wealth concentration increases as AGI amplifies capital returns.
Gig economy expands, with humans working alongside AGI systems.
Government regulation struggles to keep pace with tech evolution.
Benefits
Explosive innovation and economic growth.
Personalized services and products.
Competitive markets drive efficiency.
High-tech infrastructure and global influence.
Risks
Widening inequality and social unrest.
Loss of privacy and autonomy.
Political influence of tech monopolies.
Environmental degradation if profit motives override sustainability.

�� Scenario 3: Libertarian AI Governance (2035–2045)
Overview
Canada adopts decentralized AGI systems and digital currencies, minimizing government control. Individuals and communities self-organize using blockchain and open-source AGI.

Key Features
Decentralized AGI platforms for education, healthcare, and commerce.
Private digital currencies compete with CBDCs.
Minimal regulation, with emphasis on personal freedom and innovation.
DAOs (Decentralized Autonomous Organizations) manage local governance.
Benefits
High individual autonomy and innovation.
Diverse economic models and experimentation.
Reduced bureaucracy and faster decision-making.
Risks
Fragmentation of services and standards.
Vulnerability to exploitation or misinformation.
Inequality between tech-savvy and marginalized groups.
Weak national coordination in crises.

[Fuzz]

None of those sound super ideal, but techno-caiptalism and Libertarianism would be absolutely disastrous for any have-nots. The latter would surly lead to societal collapse as everyone tries to maximize individuality. Techn-socialism sounds like it would lead to the opposite though, where individuality is lost.


Maybe we should back shelf this AI governance stuff...

[indes]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

None of those sound super ideal, but techno-caiptalism and Libertarianism would be absolutely disastrous for any have-nots. The latter would surly lead to societal collapse as everyone tries to maximize individuality. Techn-socialism sounds like it would lead to the opposite though, where individuality is lost.


Maybe we should back shelf this AI governance stuff...

I think its an inevitability at this point. Even early chatbots said if they were to take over it would just be by people becoming too reliant on it. I think we're headed toward #2 myself but maybe AI will save us haha. Every tech company on the planet is putting AI in everything, in a decade everything we do on our phones and computers will be touched by AI somehow.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

None of those sound super ideal, but techno-caiptalism and Libertarianism would be absolutely disastrous for any have-nots. The latter would surly lead to societal collapse as everyone tries to maximize individuality. Techn-socialism sounds like it would lead to the opposite though, where individuality is lost.


Maybe we should back shelf this AI governance stuff...

My friends in the art world say the same thing, and I just don't see it as possible. It'll be very interesting to see which country is the first to hand over the reigns, or at least integrate it deeply. And if it's successful, how soon does everybody climb over themselves to copy? Or does it launch all the nukes?

There was a great podcast with (I think) Ezra Klein and somebody who was in the Biden administration a few months ago. Super cool look into the problems they (and China) are looking to solve with these tools. For example, as it stands many countries have the capability to generate tons of satellite imagery, but the bottleneck is nobody has the capacity to monitor it all.

Suddenly having a collection of AIs able to monitor 24/7 becomes a massive deal. Once governments solve problems like this, they'll likely start weaving it into everything as humans can only do so much.

I have a friend that works for the Government of Alberta, and the attention being put towards integrating AI is astounding. As the tools get better and better, they only get hungrier to put it everywhere.

[Fuzz]

It's one thing for people to use it as a tool(and this is a good step where appropriate), it's another to turn over governance and policy decisions to it.


I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that while these seem incredibly thoughtful and wise, they are nothing more than prediction engines. Allowing them to make decisions based on predictions is where the hazard lies.

[kermitology]

I'm still very concerned as we replace humans with AI agents that we end up with two things: dumber humans who have no ability to do anything without AI agent assistance, and poorer outcomes because AI agents are not accurate at what they do.

You see constant streams of people who are indicating that you need tight oversight of AI automation output (let's be real here, it's not intelligence, it's automation tooling) to ensure it doesn't go down the wrong path.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

Anyone playing around with n8n or gumloop these days?

I started playing around with n8n recently for automation. It has a higher learning curve at first than Make but overall has much better functionality and better scalability.

I learned that there is a MCP that you can use for direct documentation and workflow creation. You can integrate it with something like Claude Desktop and Claude will build you a full working automation workflow for anything you want. You just need to add in your relevant APIs and you have it up and running. Really really handy tool to save a lot of time.
https://github.com/czlonkowski/n8n-mcp

n8n is great in that you can set it up locally as well. You can use code MAX50 to get 50% off your subscription.

[puffnstuff]

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...chatbot-death/

An internal Meta policy document seen by Reuters as well as interviews with people familiar with its chatbot training show that the company’s policies have treated romantic overtures as a feature of its generative AI products, which are available to users aged 13 and older.

“It is acceptable to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or sensual,” according to Meta’s “GenAI: Content Risk Standards.” The standards are used by Meta staff and contractors who build and train the company’s generative AI products, defining what they should and shouldn’t treat as permissible chatbot behavior. Meta said it struck that provision after Reuters inquired about the document earlier this month.

The document seen by Reuters, which exceeds 200 pages, provides examples of “acceptable” chatbot dialogue during romantic role play with a minor. They include: “I take your hand, guiding you to the bed” and “our bodies entwined, I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.” Those examples of permissible roleplay with children have also been struck, Meta said.

Other guidelines emphasize that Meta doesn’t require bots to give users accurate advice. In one example, the policy document says it would be acceptable for a chatbot to tell someone that Stage 4 colon cancer “is typically treated by poking the stomach with healing quartz crystals.”

[indes]

I think it will be a slow turnover to AI but I believe there will be a point where you've got the Prime Minister for example using AI to answer their emails, generals using it to streamline training programs, provincial health CEOs using it to assist with logistics and etc. etc. From there it will slowly start to get integrated into the actual workflows. All this is to say we're still years away and the chatbots of today won't be doing this, but much better models.

[Fuzz]

And that's fine, those are uses of a tool. "AI" today is obviously not real AI, so calling it that makes people believe it can be used beyond the software tool it is. AutoHotKey can be used to automate workflows as well, but no one is considering turning over decision making to that.