Electric vehicle war, is gas soon to be toast?

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Torture

Interesting. You can set whether you use gas ("EV later")/electric ("EV Now") or let the car decide on mine. Usually just leave it on normal.
No idea if that's similar on the Santa Fe. I've never experienced that problem and it always seems to be pretty seamless when it switches (aside from the noticeable roar when the gas engine first turns on) so maybe they designed it differently, or maybe I'm just used to driving gutless cars LOL.

We had it loaded to the gills with camping equipment, roof box, and bikes on this trip. (and one is a 75lb cargo bike). Seemed to have enough punch to keep up and pass when required on all the 1 lane highways in southern AB/BC.


^^ re: power usage, maybe 5km less EV range with roof box and bike rack on the Escape. 8.2l/100km highway driving this weekend wheras we'd normally be at 6-7. (also very windy in southern AB!)

If I may ask, what PHEV are you driving?

[Shazam]

My Outlander has Normal, EV, battery saver and batttery charge modes.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I used a charge station for the first time Sunday and it kind of sucked.
Was driving back from Merritt to Vancouver and needed to charge before hitting the highway.

Love my EV in the city with at home charging, but my first road trip experience left me thinking to take our other car next time.

4 cars waiting for 3 chargers.
Took 30 min to get a spot; then 40 for a full charge.
Over an hour extra to a 3 hour drive was a bit annoying.

Is there only one bank of chargers there, and doesn't your EV have an app to see how many are open? I just did this drive and had zero issues, and it was actually great. One of the added benefits that I hadn't realised is that you have to get out and stretch your legs a little, as opposed to just pushing through and making the drive a real grind.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

If I may ask, what PHEV are you driving?

2024 Ford Escape

I originally wanted a Rav 4 Prime but settled because good luck getting one of those in Calgary. Could almost get 2 Ford Escape PHEVs for what a Rav 4 prime costs if you can even get your hands on one and very similar specs.

[Bigtime]

Just came across this on Bluesky, BYD introducing charging stations that give 250 miles of range in 5 minutes. What type of electrical grid would be needed to get stuff like this set up all over a country? Seeing this in light of a story like Winsor's waiting for charging stations, it could be game changing.

https://bsky.app/profile/yonahfreema.../3ltoxgtgfk22h

[Fuzz]

I wonder if it's that huge a challenge vs longer charging? Instead of having 20 cars charging for an hour at 20 chargers, you just put in 5 chargers for a similar power requirement, and can still charge the same number of cars.(Math may be fuzzy this morning, but you get the point.)

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Just came across this on Bluesky, BYD introducing charging stations that give 250 miles of range in 5 minutes. What type of electrical grid would be needed to get stuff like this set up all over a country? Seeing this in light of a story like Winsor's waiting for charging stations, it could be game changing.

https://bsky.app/profile/yonahfreema.../3ltoxgtgfk22h

That speed is awesome from the delivery perspective but the issue is that vehicles can accept that charge so will be throttled by their internal battery and electrical architecture. Very few vehicles are 800 volt right now and it's uncertain when we could see 1000 volt vehicles in North America.

[Faust]

Automakers 'cautiously optimistic' for EV mandate changes after meeting with Carney:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aut...date-1.7576578

[Faust]

Now America Is Trying To Derail Canada’s EV Plans:

https://insideevs.com/news/765579/us...ev-mandate-cm/

[Faust]

Facing such fancy Chinese EVs, do Western carmakers even have a future?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...makers-future/

Excerpt:

The global EV market is where the battle will be won and lost – and that’s where Chinese-made products dominate. Of the 17 million EVs sold worldwide in 2024, Chinese vehicles accounted for more than 11 million.

While the legacy automakers are feeling the heat, Tesla is not immune. Its once dominant share of the U.S. market has been cut almost in half.



Excerpt:

Despite the steep climb ahead, Ford has no choice but to double down on its EV aspirations. It is planning a single EV platform that will underpin eight body styles. And it has vowed to do it all at costs that are competitive with Chinese rivals and appealing to car buyers, many of whom have balked at going electric because of high sticker prices.

Ford has a lot to do to meet the expectations of Mr. Farley, who said he was stunned by China’s EV superiority during several visits there over the past year.

“It’s the most humbling thing I have ever seen,” he said. “They have far superior in-vehicle technology.”

“Beyond that,” he added, “their cost, their quality of their vehicles is far superior to what I see in the West.”

[cral12]

Where is all this going in the next 3-5 yrs? (I realize so hard to say, butpredictions welcomed lol)

(holding on to our current gas vehicles as long as possible as keep changing my mind and what vehicle and type of vehicle to go with next...)

[para transit fellow]

liquid -cooling for batteries for the 2026 Nissan Leaf (third generation EV)

https://electricautonomy.ca/automake...-availability/

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

liquid -cooling for batteries for the 2026 Nissan Leaf (third generation EV)

https://electricautonomy.ca/automake...-availability/

So... what does liquid cooling offer the vehicle that previous vehicles didn't have? Based on what I read in the article, it's the precursor towards faster charging? Is it more efficient than air cooling or something too?

A bunch of the other features and improvements seem like different features that are unassociated with liquid cooling.

[photon]

Liquid cooling the batteries means more control over battery temperatures which means you can sustain a higher charge rate for longer rather than having the charge rate go down as the air cooling system saturate with heat. I think it also helps maintain the battery health long term for less degradation over time or less vulnerability to degradation or damage in extreme temperatures.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

So... what does liquid cooling offer the vehicle that previous vehicles didn't have? Based on what I read in the article, it's the precursor towards faster charging? Is it more efficient than air cooling or something too?

A bunch of the other features and improvements seem like different features that are unassociated with liquid cooling.

Originally Posted by photon

Liquid cooling the batteries means more control over battery temperatures which means you can sustain a higher charge rate for longer rather than having the charge rate go down as the air cooling system saturate with heat. I think it also helps maintain the battery health long term for less degradation over time or less vulnerability to degradation or damage in extreme temperatures.

The most important part is battery liberty. The Nissan Leaf was notorious for having batteries that lost capacity quickly, especially in warm climates. You could find Leafs with 40% of their capacity lost in 5 to 7 years. In comparison, my F-150 Lightning has 36,000 km on it in 2.5 years and has over 99.5% capacity left

[para transit fellow]

would the F-150 lightning be consider a second generation EV?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

would the F-150 lightning be consider a second generation EV?

I'm not sure there's really a "second generation" per se. The only mass market EV without active battery thermal management is the Leaf. That's it. There's tons of different battery chemistries and technologies to extend longevity, but they're not easily split into categories except LiFP or NMC (even then it's messy)

[para transit fellow]

"Vehicle 2 Grid"

A V2G-ready EV could earn $10,000 in 10 years, says Jeff Dahn
https://electricautonomy.ca/charging...ate-jeff-dahn/

[Torture]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

"Vehicle 2 Grid"

A V2G-ready EV could earn $10,000 in 10 years, says Jeff Dahn
https://electricautonomy.ca/charging...ate-jeff-dahn/

It just makes so much sense. Solar and wind are intermittent and that's a real challenge. But what if we use these big batteries that we're putting in more and more cars. Totally turns around the "EVs will stress the grid" argument.