2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Even if Zary only becomes a 50-60 point C and Coleman bangs in 30 points you are actually getting more production just from those two along with Coleman's two time SC winning experience let alone adding the most important piece you need on the back end. In no universe if you are going for a SC next year are the Stars a better team with Johnston over those three. If you think so you need to learn a lot more about hockey. I am not saying the Stars should trade Johnston or even entertain it but they would definitely be better positioned to win a Cup with those three players over him.

100 percent the stars are better with those three in the lineup, that's a team going for it and knowing that their window is closing. Do I think Dallas has the balls to pull off a trade like this fearing fan blowback, probably not, but their is some merit to the trade working for both teams, considering the expectations of both teams, and some urgency on Dallas's part.

I don't see CC parting ways with Zary, I think he sees some "johnson" potential in him.

In the end it's probably going to be a first round pick as the main price of such a deadline transaction involving Andersson. Early takeaways from CC's asset management to date suggests he values drafts picks, with some "other prospects" thrown in to equal out the value

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As much as I like it getting a little spicy, I actually don’t think it’s super controversial to suggest the Stars would be better next year with Andersson, Zary, Coleman over, let’s say, Johnston, Blackwell, Lyubushkin.

Beyond a year or two? No probably not. Worth trading Johnston to achieve? No but Diss isn’t arguing that.

I think Johnston out creates a big hole for Dallas next year. Mainly because I don't think Hintz is anywhere near as good. And Seguin and Duchene are at the edge of the cliff.

1 goal and 6 points for Duchene in the POs. 4 goals and 8 points for Seguin.

Put another way, Johnston and Hintz is a pretty good one-two. Lose Johnston and I bet they immediately are searching for centre. Theor veteran Cs ended up on the wing in the POs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Hintz is already their #1C. Rantanen played the majority of his minutes with Hintz and Robertson last season (once he landed with the Stars).

Seguin (94%) and Duchene (73%) played most of their minutes last season at C.

Johnston played 54% at C and 46% at RW.

No opinions needed, the data shows that your assessment is off.

That's because Johnston was 21 years old and a third year pro. He's going to be their 1C next year. He started W (like a lot of younger players) but by the end of the year he was at C and Seguin and Duchene were his wingers.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VilleN

He's arguing that it is insane that anyone could believe trading Johnston for Zary, Andersson, and Coleman doesn't make the Stars better next year. In my opinion, they would be worse next year if they did that deal - but the arrogance with which he believes his opinion is correct is what I take issue with - based on last years production you are trading out 71 pts at C (points coming from a single player) for 97 pts spread out across 3 players... I don't see how this is an upgrade at all - and it certainly is not an obvious upgrade.

It is easily an upgrade on a one year run at the Cup. It isn't arrogance, it's common sense. Not everything is about points.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is easily an upgrade on a one year run at the Cup. It isn't arrogance, it's common sense. Not everything is about points.

It is absolutely arrogance - calling it common sense is just doubling down on your own arrogance. I think it is better to keep a 1C that could flirt with 100pts next year, vs a collection of non star players. Yeah, it strengthens their D - but I don't see any team winning the cup with a Hintz and Zary as their 1-2 punch at center.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is easily an upgrade on a one year run at the Cup. It isn't arrogance, it's common sense. Not everything is about points.

You don't use 22-year-old number one centers as a means to fill your roster holes for a one year run at a cup.

It's the furthest thing from common sense.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VilleN

It is absolutely arrogance - calling it common sense is just doubling down on your own arrogance. I think it is better to keep a 1C that could flirt with 100pts next year, vs a collection of non star players. Yeah, it strengthens their D - but I don't see any team winning the cup with a Hintz and Zary as their 1-2 punch at center.

Well that would be quite a leap in points for Johnston. I can play that game too, what if Andersson is a 50+ point D man, Zary takes a step and becomes a 70-80 point C, and Coleman hits 30 goals again while being a juggernaut at both ends of the ice? Are you still arguing they better posed to win a Cup with Johnston?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

You don't use 22-year-old number one centers as a means to fill your roster holes for a one year run at a cup.

It's the furthest thing from common sense.

You know what else is the furthest thing from common sense? Basing your argument on something we are not even arguing about lol.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

You don't use 22-year-old number one centers as a means to fill your roster holes for a one year run at a cup.

It's the furthest thing from common sense.

They don't even need to. They lost to the oilers because Oettinger lost his game and because they only managed 2 goals total in games 2, 3 and 4. The only game they won was game one, when Edmonton took dumbn ass penalties in the third and couldn't PK to save their lives.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that would be quite a leap in points for Johnston. I can play that game too, what if Andersson is a 50+ point D man, Zary takes a step and becomes a 70-80 point C, and Coleman hits 30 goals again while being a juggernaut at both ends of the ice? Are you still arguing they better posed to win a Cup with Johnston?

Based on his age and his trend it is not much of a leap for him to be in the 90-100pt range. The idea that Andersson and Coleman are going to have career years at this point in their careers is a ridiculous argument and you know it. Zary, hasn't been able to play a full season and hasn't gotten more than 34 points - it is a way less realistic stretch to say he will A) stay healthy for a full season, and B) double his point production over a full season - he currently sits at about a .5ppg pace, and you are suggesting he could go to 1ppg... no one is making that bet, but I bet a lot of people could see Johnston getting close to 100pts next year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that would be quite a leap in points for Johnston. I can play that game too, what if Andersson is a 50+ point D man, Zary takes a step and becomes a 70-80 point C, and Coleman hits 30 goals again while being a juggernaut at both ends of the ice? Are you still arguing they better posed to win a Cup with Johnston?

A full year of Rantanen on the PP and I could see Johnston getting 90+

If Zary could make that leap, he should get way more with us as we do not have much blocking him as our #1 C.

Ras isn't good enough to make the Flames PP or the Stars, name 1 dman in NHL history to get 50 points with no PP time. Maybe someone in the 80s but doubt it happens.

Coleman maybe gets 30 goals with the Stars.

[dissentowner]

You do realize Andersson is still young right? Saying he can't have a career year on a much better Stars team is not ridiculous at all.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

A full year of Rantanen on the PP and I could see Johnston getting 90+

If Zary could make that leap, he should get way more with us as we do not have much blocking him as our #1 C.

Ras isn't good enough to make the Flames PP or the Stars, name 1 dman in NHL history to get 50 points with no PP time. Maybe someone in the 80s but doubt it happens.

Coleman maybe gets 30 goals with the Stars.

Well a full year of Rantanen on the PP and you could say the same thing about Heinz.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You do realize Andersson is still young right? Saying he can't have a career year on a much better Stars team is not ridiculous at all.

He can't when he will not play on the PP without injuries

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well a full year of Rantanen on the PP and you could say the same thing about Heinz.

And? Even if Zary went to the Stars, he would not displace anyone on the 1st PP and would not get 70

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You do realize Andersson is still young right? Saying he can't have a career year on a much better Stars team is not ridiculous at all.

Behind Heiskanen and Harley, I don't see it. I'm not even dismissing your point of view - I can see how you are getting there, but I disagree with it. You on the other hand, are acting like it's the only opinion and if you disagree you don't know anything about hockey. In any case - I've made my argument and I think a deal like that would play out very poorly for the Stars. I think you'd see the Flames get better next year and the Stars get worse.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

You don't use 22-year-old number one centers as a means to fill your roster holes for a one year run at a cup.

It's the furthest thing from common sense.

I wonder if Calgary knew what they were giving up when they traded away Brett Hull.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Behind Heiskanen and Harley, I don't see it. I'm not even dismissing your point of view - I can see how you are getting there, but I disagree with it. You on the other hand, are acting like it's the only opinion and if you disagree you don't know anything about hockey. In any case - I've made my argument and I think a deal like that would play out very poorly for the Stars. I think you'd see the Flames get better next year and the Stars get worse.

Except he won't be behind those guys because they play LD. The Stars are extremely weak on the RD position. Thats why they are trying to land Andersson so badly or another RD. It's a huge hole in their lineup.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

And? Even if Zary went to the Stars, he would not displace anyone on the 1st PP and would not get 70

You can't possibly know what steps Zary would take if he was healthy and took a step. Especially on a much more talented Stars team. It's funny how posters seem to think he might do that here' next year but not if he was in Dallas.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

He can't when he will not play on the PP without injuries

You do realize all of the Stars good D men are LD right?