Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[opendoor]

Isn’t most of that spending increase due to the cost of settlements for both treaties and residential school survivors? Those aren’t exactly optional expenses.

I’m also not sure I’d characterize a 4 point increase in CWB as marginal. That increase over 5 years is roughly equivalent to the increase over the 20 years before that.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I mean yeah, it's a lot of money for not a very large increase in the Community Well Being score, but without context it's completely useless.

It doesn't seem completely out of the question that it could take a lot of money to get things like drinking water up to reasonable standards. But the switch from "Barely have adequate drinking water" to "Have drinking water" doesn't necessarily move the needle on the Community Wellness score.

It also depends on what community wellness means and how a score is determined. It's also possible that regardless of what is done or how much is invested "wellness" won't improve. An analogy would be the crotchety old guy at the office and regardless of what effort is put in to try to make him happy he shows up grumpy every day. Some people just can't be appeased.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It also depends on what community wellness means and how a score is determined. It's also possible that regardless of what is done or how much is invested "wellness" won't improve. An analogy would be the crotchety old guy at the office and regardless of what effort is put in to try to make him happy he shows up grumpy every day. Some people just can't be appeased.

It's not about appeasing, it is about honoring a sacred contract between two peoples that is meant to last as long as the sun shines, the grass grows and the river flows.

Settlers have had nothing but benefit from the treaties and this agreement, and yet they could not be more ungrateful.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It's not about appeasing, it is about honoring a sacred contract between two peoples that is meant to last as long as the sun shines, the grass grows and the river flows.

Settlers have had nothing but benefit from the treaties and this agreement, and yet they could not be more ungrateful.

Yes, settlers have benefited obviously but so have the indigenous communities and there should be a greater sense of gratitude from all parties. There is too much of a combative and adversarial approach taken instead of working together for an even greater good and benefit to all parties.

[Johnny Makarov]

wooo this is the best news for all the non-deplorables in Canada!

Pierre Pollywannacracker is keeping Jenni Byrne as his top advisor! lol

One thing that is not changing is Poilievre's reliance on campaign adviser Jenni Byrne to help him navigate choppy political waters.

Byrne, a controversial figure among some Conservatives, has been close to Poilievre for years and managed the last election effort
Dimitri Soudas, a former senior staffer in ex-prime minister Stephen Harper's government who worked with Byrne while she was also in that office, is going public with his concerns about Poilievre's trusted adviser.

In a social media post Thursday, Soudas said Byrne dropped the ball.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...tegy-1.7587435

[WideReceiver]

What’s the point of having a hundred names on the by-election ballot? Doesn’t that help Poilievre? Is it symbolic?

[Fuzz]

It is just to promote election reform. Prove absurdity, get change. Easier to get attention when you do it in a party leader riding.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What’s the point of having a hundred names on the by-election ballot? Doesn’t that help Poilievre? Is it symbolic?

It's a protest against the FPTP voting system. They've done it for a few years now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_Ballot_Committee

[Harry Lime]

The names of the other people running should have all been akin to :

Poppy Pullivor
Pierre Polivvier
Pear Popper
Pierre Pullover

in order to take away name recognition. That's pretty much all he is running on, as he has never set foot in the riding before, and never will again.

[Playfair]

The extreme partisanship and lack of balance in discussion on Calgarypuck over the years is astonishing. When I joined it was a very conservative based site, but it was also balanced - calling out wrongs on either side while also not slamming the other side other. Other then those who committed Fata's.

Yes I guess I am speaking politically, but it is also a maturity matter. Seems that we have slowly over the years have become HF board. I find that sad.

I always appreciated the balanced approach in the past and learned a lot about both sides, whether it be politics, hockey, world events, etc. Now it seems the site has become like the news and the world in general - polarized.

Forgive me if it is off topic, it is just an observation as a long time lurker.

[Looch City]

It's really not that hard to understand. I mean for God sake, just look at Ford in Ontario.

1. Reject the ultra right.
2. Win elections as a moderate/social conservative.

It's really that simple.

That is the balance that has been lost. Right wing went bat#### crazy and now anything slightly to the left of them is akin to socialism/Venezuela.

[Looch City]

And that doesn't even touch on the fact that the CPC were a complete shoe in and then turned around and lost the election AS WELL AS his own seat.

Like that's just pure embarrassment and deserves ridicule.

[Drak]

Hard to be balanced when the RW opposition are now MAGA extremists.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Looch City

It's really not that hard to understand. I mean for God sake, just look at Ford in Ontario.

1. Reject the ultra right.
2. Win elections as a moderate/social conservative.

It's really that simple.

That is the balance that has been lost. Right wing went bat#### crazy and now anything slightly to the left of them is akin to socialism/Venezuela.

Exactly. The Conservative party swung so far to the right, the majority of Canadian voters took a good look at what was going on south of us and said "no thanks, we don't want any part of that s***."

That should have been a wake-up call for the Cons, but nope. They're actually gonna try and run it back again with the same pathetic loser who got his ass handed to him in the last election. The stupidity is astonishing. Unless of course PP loses his byelection, which would be absolutely hilarious.

And yes, the solution for the Cons couldn't be more simple. Move your party back to the centre, dump the Maple MAGA crap, and they'll finally start to win elections again. It's amazing that they still haven't figured this out.

[GullFoss]

Why would I vote CPC when Carney implements the best of CPC economic and fiscal policy, while also not being divisive, racist or hateful.

Carney is off to a great start. He's honestly might be the best person to come along for the conservative movement and Canadian unity in a long time.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What’s the point of having a hundred names on the by-election ballot? Doesn’t that help Poilievre? Is it symbolic?

Yes unfortunately it probably helps him. Realistically I'm pretty sure he would win regardless but maybe a strong independent could have given him a race. With a hundred independents they'll be buried though.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Ashartus

Yes unfortunately it probably helps him. Realistically I'm pretty sure he would win regardless but maybe a strong independent could have given him a race. With a hundred independents they'll be buried though.

It had almost zero impact on the vote in his previous riding. It’s just a publicity stunt by the organizers of it.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The names of the other people running should have all been akin to :

Poppy Pullivor
Pierre Polivvier
Pear Popper
Pierre Pullover

in order to take away name recognition. That's pretty much all he is running on, as he has never set foot in the riding before, and never will again.

Pimple Popper

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The names of the other people running should have all been akin to :

Poppy Pullivor
Pierre Polivvier
Pear Popper
Pierre Pullover

in order to take away name recognition. That's pretty much all he is running on, as he has never set foot in the riding before, and never will again.

He’s literally saying the electorate is too dumb to find his name on a ballot. The other candidates should be jumping all over his infantilizing of voters.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Playfair

The extreme partisanship and lack of balance in discussion on Calgarypuck over the years is astonishing. When I joined it was a very conservative based site, but it was also balanced - calling out wrongs on either side while also not slamming the other side other. Other then those who committed Fata's.

Yes I guess I am speaking politically, but it is also a maturity matter. Seems that we have slowly over the years have become HF board. I find that sad.

I always appreciated the balanced approach in the past and learned a lot about both sides, whether it be politics, hockey, world events, etc. Now it seems the site has become like the news and the world in general - polarized.

Forgive me if it is off topic, it is just an observation as a long time lurker.

When you joined, the conservatives were progressive. Or at least they pretended to be progressive by putting it in the party name. 20 years ago we would comment about how the PCs and Liberals were both very centrist parties and the main differences between them was some spending.

But then both the Federal and Alberta Provincial PC parties merged and were largely taken over by far-right parties.
- The Federal Conservatives are more Reform than PC
- The Alberta UCP are more Wildrose (or worse) than PC

This really isn't a problem with CalgaryPuck, or any other political conversation, the problem is that the right wing parties are moving hard into far-right ideologies and are constantly attacking the other parties as extremist to try and hide how extreme they have become.

Many of these conservative politicians are grifters and false populists who will lie and steal for personal gain and completely ignore accountability and responsibility to the people who voted for them. They are living on the brand name of past conservative parties and hoping no one is noticing that they have no intention of honouring that trust that many conservative voters are blindly putting into these new "conservative" party.