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Old 07-19-2025, 11:50 AM   #5461
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"Shot" is an overstatement too. A puck got playfully flipped at him. Half of the team had already headed to the locker room. IIRC it was the game where Tkachuk "accidentally" fell on the Leaf goalie.
All of the above is correct. Still led to a team meeting and Friedman reporting leadership told Tkachuk not to turn it into riot every night, not anything to do with LA and Doughty.
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Old 07-19-2025, 11:58 AM   #5462
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The incident in question was when Tkachuk flipped out after Muzzin shot the puck at him after a game against Toronto. It led to a team meeting, and Friedman reported that was when Tkachuk was told by team leadership to not make it a riot every night.
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Old 07-19-2025, 12:33 PM   #5463
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Too bad. It should be a riot every night.
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Old 07-19-2025, 12:44 PM   #5464
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I definitely would rather trade anyone to Montreal than Toronto because of Brad.

For Andersson, I am sure Conroy is waiting for the best offer.
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Old 07-19-2025, 12:59 PM   #5465
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I definitely would rather trade anyone to Montreal than Toronto because of Brad.

For Andersson, I am sure Conroy is waiting for the best offer.
Toronto also doesn't have much to offer us, at least nothing that they would be willing to part with. Montreal has a few interesting trade bait items.

There is also the fact that Montreal is currently over the cap and has a couple of players that could be used as cap dumps and the Flames have cap space that could be weaponized. Granted, they will be cap compliant once the season starts and Price goes on LTIR, but using LTIR to be cap compliant means they won't accrue cap space during the season to potentially make a moves near the trade deadline.
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Old 07-19-2025, 01:34 PM   #5466
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"Shot" is an overstatement too. A puck got playfully flipped at him. Half of the team had already headed to the locker room. IIRC it was the game where Tkachuk "accidentally" fell on the Leaf goalie.
*Deliberately gently flipped it because he knew EXACTLY what Tkachuk would do*

He’s matured a ton since then and does a way better job picking his spots than he used to. Defending his actions here, or thinking they were reasonable, or something anybody else on the team would be happy was happening, is ridiculous.
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Old 07-19-2025, 01:35 PM   #5467
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Dach or Newhook would be okay as the salary coming back but the prize would be the picks which I would want a 1st and 2nd
But if the Canadiens continue to improve, those picks become late round picks and the value of them drops significantly. We just saw this in the last draft where the late 1st round picks were deemed to have very little value and trading up was "impossible".

Maybe it is worth it for the 2026 draft because of how deep it is rumoured to be but I think targeting Hage makes more sense.

A conditional pick would also be interesting. Get Hage and a 2026 2nd that becomes a 1st if they get to the second round.

If we have to take salary back, fine, but I wouldn't consider it a value-add for the Flames. I don't really think that Dach or Newhook move the needle for the Flames and bringing them back somewhat defeats the purpose of moving out a forward to make room for our players coming up the ranks. I would probably just try to flip them out immediately to a team that could use them.
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Apparently Kuznetsov is eyeing a return and is willing to take a bonus laden deal to come back to the NHL, could be this years ‘Mantha’ contract; Matt Grzelcyk is still out there as well and had a career year at 30 last year with the Penguins. If the goal is still to win and having patience trading away Ras and other vets I wouldn’t mind those two on one year deals, if the Flames are out of it by the deadline it just adds to the basket of players we can trade for continued futures, but they could also help with a playoff push if the team gelled.

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Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
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Any updates on the beacons or Ocean Spray, Sec and Royle?
I still think we see Andersson to Dallas. (most likely scenario for our best return)
Both teams have been very engaged since July 1st.
Was told MTL doesn't have interest. (in Kadri)

Flames like Robertson, but 1 for 1 swap seems unlikely.

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Old 07-19-2025, 02:50 PM   #5470
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Apparently Kuznetsov is eyeing a return and is willing to take a bonus laden deal to come back to the NHL, could be this years ‘Mantha’ contract; Matt Grzelcyk is still out there as well and had a career year at 30 last year with the Penguins. If the goal is still to win and having patience trading away Ras and other vets I wouldn’t mind those two on one year deals, if the Flames are out of it by the deadline it just adds to the basket of players we can trade for continued futures, but they could also help with a playoff push if the team gelled.

Thoughts on Kuznetsov and Grzelcyk??

Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
Zary - Kuznetsov - Sharangovich
Farabee - Frost - Klapka
Coleman - Backlund - Pospisil
Lomberg, Kirkland

Grzelcyk - Weegar
Bahl - Parehk
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I would honestly rather just play the kids. Get them experience.
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Apparently Kuznetsov is eyeing a return and is willing to take a bonus laden deal to come back to the NHL, could be this years ‘Mantha’ contract; Matt Grzelcyk is still out there as well and had a career year at 30 last year with the Penguins. If the goal is still to win and having patience trading away Ras and other vets I wouldn’t mind those two on one year deals, if the Flames are out of it by the deadline it just adds to the basket of players we can trade for continued futures, but they could also help with a playoff push if the team gelled.

Thoughts on Kuznetsov and Grzelcyk??

Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
Zary - Kuznetsov - Sharangovich
Farabee - Frost - Klapka
Coleman - Backlund - Pospisil
Lomberg, Kirkland

Grzelcyk - Weegar
Bahl - Parehk
Hanley - Pachal
Bean

Wolf
Prosvetov/Cooley
I personally wouldn't be interested in Kuznetsov. Hopefully he has his life sorted out and his off ice issues are in the past, but I would be apprehensive about bringing in a potential bad influence to a team with so many young player.

Grzelcyk also reminds me a little too much of Barrie. I'd rather just see what our prospects can do. His assist total was impressive last year though, but his defense has always been a little suspect.
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Andersson + Zary + Depth D(Bean/Miromanov/Pachal) for Robertson + Lyubushkin?

That would definitely be a lot to give up, but I doubt Dallas moves Robertson for anything less. So who says no? Would it be a better deal for both sides with Sharangovich instead of Zary?
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Old 07-19-2025, 03:04 PM   #5473
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*Deliberately gently flipped it because he knew EXACTLY what Tkachuk would do*

He’s matured a ton since then and does a way better job picking his spots than he used to. Defending his actions here, or thinking they were reasonable, or something anybody else on the team would be happy was happening, is ridiculous.

Tkachuk has toned it down a lot. The first year in Florida he was absolute fire the whole year, 109 points and 123 PIMs. Since then he has picked his spots and really doesn't mix it up if things are going well, which it obviously has the last two years in Florida.
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Andersson + Zary + Depth D(Bean/Miromanov/Pachal) for Robertson + Lyubushkin?

That would definitely be a lot to give up, but I doubt Dallas moves Robertson for anything less. So who says no? Would it be a better deal for both sides with Sharangovich instead of Zary?
I really don't want to give up Zary. I feel like he has so much untapped potential.

I can see a small chance of him becoming a top line winger one day. It would hurt to lose him.
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I really don't want to give up Zary. I feel like he has so much untapped potential.

I can see a small chance of him becoming a top line winger one day. It would hurt to lose him.
Zary is 23, Roberston is 25 turning 26.

...Roberston is an elite winger, forget top line winger.

If Andersson + Zary gets you Robertson, you make that trade. That's quantity for quality
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Zary is 23, Roberston is 25 turning 26.

...Roberston is an elite winger, forget top line winger.

If Andersson + Zary gets you Robertson, you make that trade. That's quantity for quality
I would only want to do that on the condition we traded Robertson after. I would hate losing both Andersson and Zary for him when we could have gotten picks.

I understand he puts up stats, but he is going to cost a ton. What salary is he asking for?
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Andersson + Zary + Depth D(Bean/Miromanov/Pachal) for Robertson + Lyubushkin?

That would definitely be a lot to give up, but I doubt Dallas moves Robertson for anything less. So who says no? Would it be a better deal for both sides with Sharangovich instead of Zary?
Zary is too big of an add. Even with his fluke injuries last season he could be a top 6 forward at 23 years old and potentially be a #2C.

I would include Zary for Johnston because it could be an organizational fit and closer on the value scale but for Robertson it doesn't make sense to further weaken our C depth to add a LW.
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Zary is too big of an add. Even with his fluke injuries last season he could be a top 6 forward at 23 years old and potentially be a #2C.

I would include Zary for Johnston because it could be an organizational fit and closer on the value scale but for Robertson it doesn't make sense to further weaken our C depth to add a LW.
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As you say, for Johnston sure (not happening) but not for Robertson. Andersson and a prospect, but not Zary.

Would prefer a futures return though, like Bichsel + a pick.
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To me, Robertson is the ultimate example of a perfect complimentary piece to finish out the core of a team. But that’s after the team has built a core of top 2 centers, top pairing defencemen and a #1 goaltender. Similar to Florida getting Reinhart. Problem is that I don’t think the flames should be trading for a player like that until they have the other pieces solidified.

More importantly, I would be concerned about trading for Robertson only to have to sign him to a huge contract before seeing the fit (just like Huberdeau) simply to avoid him walking to free agency after a trade. Would love the idea of a 3-team trade with the flames acquiring the picks/prospects from another team that wants Robertson.
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To me, Robertson is the ultimate example of a perfect complimentary piece to finish out the core of a team. But that’s after the team has built a core of top 2 centers, top pairing defencemen and a #1 goaltender. Similar to Florida getting Reinhart. Problem is that I don’t think the flames should be trading for a player like that until they have the other pieces solidified.

More importantly, I would be concerned about trading for Robertson only to have to sign him to a huge contract before seeing the fit (just like Huberdeau) simply to avoid him walking to free agency after a trade. Would love the idea of a 3-team trade with the flames acquiring the picks/prospects from another team that wants Robertson.

You would have to see if it's a fit before signing him long term. If it's not, you flip him at the deadline. Can't make the same mistake again.
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