07-10-2025, 03:19 PM
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#27041
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Originally Posted by Amethyst
Responsible and austerity are different things.
Massive job cuts mean actual human beings losing their jobs. Either they find other jobs, they need government support, or they suffer a life of poverty, unable to pay their bills, losing their homes, etc. Since there doesn't seem to be an abundance of unfilled jobs waiting, why is this a good thing?
I would rather the public service be the size it needs to be to fulfil its job, not ideologically high or low.
And I think the government needs to be careful when it cuts jobs, because massive unemployment is not good for the country either.
It sounds like you are cheering people's suffering because you don't like where they work.
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What is these cuts are bringing it to that size and it's currently ideologically high?
How can you want public service to be the necessary size but also not want people's jobs removed if/when it's above the necessary size?
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07-10-2025, 03:19 PM
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#27042
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Locke
I agree on a number of points. It does mean real people losing their jobs and, while thats unfortunate, its also part of life.
So I fundamentally agree with your points, but its not the Government's responsibility to keep these people employed if they're not supplying a benefit and further, we do not want Government cutting jobs over ideological purposes, however, by the same token, one could make the case that the Government created these jobs over ideological purposes in the first place.
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I don't disagree. But those people have jobs now. And if we chainsaw all their jobs, like Musk did, while people are losing jobs in private industry, we may end up in a worse situation than we started. If we have more staff than is needed to run the federal government, absolutely, make adjustments. But let's be thoughtful in how it's done.
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07-10-2025, 03:27 PM
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#27043
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
What is these cuts are bringing it to that size and it's currently ideologically high?
How can you want public service to be the necessary size but also not want people's jobs removed if/when it's above the necessary size?
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I'm not against adjusting it. I'm against rushing out to cut all the jobs so it's back down to the size it was before. And the government isn't a business, so it needs to look at how job cuts affect the overall economy and not just its own workforce.
I'm not saying no one can ever lose a job. Just that losing one's job is hard on that actual person, so maybe we can approach it a little less gleefully.
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07-10-2025, 04:50 PM
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#27044
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1943333372220063987
Really liking Carney's work and his messaging so far. He operates so far away from the angry shock value crap that the right keeps doing these days, and it's damn refreshing.
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07-15-2025, 03:14 PM
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#27045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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07-16-2025, 10:04 PM
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#27046
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Franchise Player
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hahaha. Ford basically telling the Cons to vote out Pierre the Career Politician. and to avoid the hard right.
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“There should be a law you can’t be prime minister unless you’ve been involved in a business at a high level, running it,” says Ford.
You read that right.
“You have to be able to understand meeting a payroll, meeting expenses, putting a marketing plan together. You have to understand procurement.
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https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...right-politics
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07-17-2025, 07:35 AM
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#27047
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
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There has never been a group of people more utterly dependent on Canadas prosperity who seemingly want it to fail economically.
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07-17-2025, 07:43 AM
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#27048
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
There has never been a group of people more utterly dependent on Canadas prosperity who seemingly want it to fail economically.
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If I was a foreign power interested in disrupting Canada, I’d be in the back pocket of as many of these groups as I could. Corruption already runs wild in plenty. Is there any oversight for such a thing?
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07-17-2025, 10:45 AM
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#27049
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
There has never been a group of people more utterly dependent on Canadas prosperity who seemingly want it to fail economically.
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It is all about perspective. Too them, Canada's prosperity is dependent on their land. Settlers seem to gloss over the fact that the treaties secured them a quality of life unmatched as such a small cost.
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07-17-2025, 11:25 AM
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#27050
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
The reddit thread on this has poked a ton of holes in his story already, but it’s especially notable that his lawyer is the spouse of Rebel’s Hamish Marshall, who has plenty of ties with the far right herself.
Sounds like a healthy helping of red meat for the mindless far right whose only take on any CBC matter is “defund CBC!!!” as a little bit of drool dribbles out.
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Marshall is a conservative blowhard whom stops at nothing to get her name in the news. I wouldn't put too much thought into her allegations.
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07-17-2025, 11:30 AM
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#27051
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
There has never been a group of people more utterly dependent on Canadas prosperity who seemingly want it to fail economically.
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https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...-first-nations
Speaking of budget cuts...
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07-17-2025, 12:52 PM
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#27052
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Cappy
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 So where is all this extra money going?
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07-17-2025, 02:19 PM
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#27053
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Ironhorse
 So where is all this extra money going?
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My BIL asked that question and the answer he got
“See all those jets flying south? Those are my chiefs going to golf in Vegas.”
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07-17-2025, 02:29 PM
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#27054
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironhorse
 So where is all this extra money going?
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I mean yeah, it's a lot of money for not a very large increase in the Community Well Being score, but without context it's completely useless.
Perhaps (I would say likely) there are some very large capital items that were required that don't necessarily increase that score by a bunch.
It doesn't seem completely out of the question that it could take a lot of money to get things like drinking water up to reasonable standards. But the switch from "Barely have adequate drinking water" to "Have drinking water" doesn't necessarily move the needle on the Community Wellness score.
Without context or details, the headline of "Spending has gone up so much, and the impact has been small" is likely to be misleading, (probably intentionally so).
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07-17-2025, 03:29 PM
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#27055
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
I mean yeah, it's a lot of money for not a very large increase in the Community Well Being score, but without context it's completely useless.
Perhaps (I would say likely) there are some very large capital items that were required that don't necessarily increase that score by a bunch.
It doesn't seem completely out of the question that it could take a lot of money to get things like drinking water up to reasonable standards. But the switch from "Barely have adequate drinking water" to "Have drinking water" doesn't necessarily move the needle on the Community Wellness score.
Without context or details, the headline of "Spending has gone up so much, and the impact has been small" is likely to be misleading, (probably intentionally so).
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Yes, it is most likely intentionally misleading, and there is no mention of what has increased the budget (captial vs operational). But, if FN give you guff, you can always bring those numbers more in line.
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07-17-2025, 03:31 PM
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#27056
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Sundre
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Originally Posted by Cappy
Yes, it is most likely intentionally misleading, and there is no mention of what has increased the budget (captial vs operational). But, if FN give you guff, you can always bring those numbers more in line.
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It is intentionally misleading, look at the source. They do not deserve benefit of a doubt.
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07-17-2025, 03:37 PM
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#27057
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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The graph shares an infuriating small amount of context.
"spending" is as vague as it gets. Is that spending on or off reserve? is that spending an increase in uptake in preexisting programs like health care or post secondary education?
Is this on capitol projects?
Are these programs that employ firms that are mostly settlers?
Is this spending that ultimately decreases down stream costs, like early dental interventions or Diabetes control, Vaccination drives ect?
What is the wellbeing score?
It also doesn't account for the The Indigenous population growth by 9.4% between 2016 and 2021.
Nor does it account for the massive amount of inflation that changes the value of a dollar?
Everyone treats money toward Indigenous programs like a blank cheque for municipal governments ( chief and council) which is mostly a myth perpetuated by people with a crab mentality.
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07-17-2025, 03:47 PM
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#27058
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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This link is a comprehensive breakdown of what the budget increases are.
https://budget.canada.ca/2024/report.../chap6-en.html
Again, a small price to pay for the beautiful land we get to call home.
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07-17-2025, 03:57 PM
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#27059
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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How do you know Tom Flanagan at the Frasier institute is lying? He's said something about anything.
Stats can be twisted to show anything, and they sure like to twist them for their agenda. Why any Canadian gives them a second glance on anything will continue to baffle me until the end of time.
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07-17-2025, 04:11 PM
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#27060
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironhorse
 So where is all this extra money going?
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The problems First Nations suffer from are largely social and structural. Progress will be measured in generations.
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