Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

Americans joining Israel and doing what they do best - showing power over the weakest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/bQnbmziprE

[ResAlien]

A plan to round up all Palestinians and put them in a camp? Nope don’t see any issue there

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rp31lk7mzo

Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.
Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.
He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.

[Looch City]

You can't judge a country for what their Defense Minister says. That's just anti semitic!

[activeStick]

Also need to first, condemn Hamas, before continuing with your thought

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

A plan to round up all Palestinians and put them in a camp? Nope don’t see any issue there

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rp31lk7mzo

That is completely nuts.

Their proposal is to put them all in a camp, not allow them to ever leave the camp, and then hopefully forcibly relocate them to other countries.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

That is completely nuts.

Their proposal is to put them all in a camp, not allow them to ever leave the camp, and then hopefully forcibly relocate them to other countries.

Have they put ICE in charge of this, too? Maybe that's why they got so much budget.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Israeli Defense Minister

Plans briefed to the Israeli media say that some 600,000 Palestinians would be forced to undergo "security screening" before entering the camp. They would be banned from leaving.

Israeli soldiers would control the camp, which would eventually house the entire population of Gaza.

Katz was quoted as saying that the plan is part of an overarching scheme to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land, which he referred to as "the emigration plan, which will happen".

Eventually, all people of Gaza who haven't voluntarily entered the concentration camps will be labeled as Hamas, with license to kill them. Then they will force other countries to take people of Gaza from the concentration camps. Then they will annex Gaza.

Pretty sad stuff.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25...ticking-point/

[Looch City]

And some more pure terrorism by a terrorist state:

Children queuing for supplements killed in Israeli strike in Gaza, hospital says

At least 15 Palestinians, including eight children and two women, have been killed in an Israeli strike while queuing for nutritional supplements in front of a clinic in central Gaza, a hospital says.

Video from al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital in Deir al-Balah showed the bodies of several children and others lying on the floor as medics treated their wounds.

US-based aid group Project Hope, which runs the clinic, said the attack was a blatant violation of international law. The Israeli military said it struck a "Hamas terrorist" and regretted any harm to civilians.

Another 37 people were reportedly killed in Israeli strikes elsewhere in Gaza, as Israel and Hamas continued talks on a ceasefire deal.

Seriously. Honestly. Why and how the #### is this acceptable?

[CroFlames]

That is disgusting and heartbreaking.

But if the goal is the eradication of the Palestinians and eventual takeover of Gaza, then it means we will see much more of this.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That is disgusting and heartbreaking.

But if the goal is the eradication of the Palestinians and eventual takeover of Gaza, then it means we will see much more of this.

Be nice if Canada would stop supporting it, though. ####ing embarrassing.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That is disgusting and heartbreaking.

But if the goal is the eradication of the Palestinians and eventual takeover of Gaza, then it means we will see much more of this.

Israel wants Gaza and West Bank without Palestinians. West Bank annexation was a policy that was designed for this purpose and has been on-going since the 1960s and is now accelerating.

The Final Solution to the Gaza problem is now out in the open. Concentration camp and eventual ethnic cleansing. Israel will then do the same in the West Bank.

I find it hard to believe how many people don't care. Israel is part of our Pax Americana, which makes Canada complicit in this ethnic cleansing and genocide. Anyone who calls it a genocide is anti-semetic. Anyone who calls for sanctions, boycotts, etc is labeled anti-semetic. The largest US Tech companies - Google, Facebook and Oracle - are actively supporting the genocide with zero concequences. The US government is providing full cover for the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

When did the West become so morally bankrupt?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

When did the West become so morally bankrupt?

Really? Iran is currently using the attack on their territory to hunt down and imprison or kill anyone that they might consider political or social dissidents. It's not even in the news at all, except for the odd blurb.

Iran is a useful tool for the West as a boogeyman. No morals to be found here.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Israel wants Gaza and West Bank without Palestinians. West Bank annexation was a policy that was designed for this purpose and has been on-going since the 1960s and is now accelerating.

The Final Solution to the Gaza problem is now out in the open. Concentration camp and eventual ethnic cleansing. Israel will then do the same in the West Bank.

I find it hard to believe how many people don't care. Israel is part of our Pax Americana, which makes Canada complicit in this ethnic cleansing and genocide. Anyone who calls it a genocide is anti-semetic. Anyone who calls for sanctions, boycotts, etc is labeled anti-semetic. The largest US Tech companies - Google, Facebook and Oracle - are actively supporting the genocide with zero concequences. The US government is providing full cover for the genocide and ethnic cleansing.

When did the West become so morally bankrupt?

I'm loathe to post anything here but I will try to explain my position, I see two sides, Israel and Palestine, who hate each other, I'd like to pretend it's just Hamas and Likud and the other extermists but it seems to be pretty much everyone hates the other, I think if Israel wipes out/displaces all of the west bank and Gaza most in Israel at best won't care, at worst will be pleased and I am equally certian that the Palestinians don't give a tinkers about the Israelis that died on October 7th and would slaughter every Israeli as they drove them into the sea if they had the power to do it.

I dont think there is a good or bad side and I don't think there is a solution, as such having a position is pointless, in truth I don't hope for a Palestinian homeland because it will be a fundy Islamic craphole where a Hamas or something like it will butcher gays and uppity women, it will be the Taliban on the Med' and I not going to root for that

I hate what Israel is doing as well, at this point both sides are scum and I choose not to support either, do I feel sorry for the poor schmoes just trying to get on with life there, yes but beyond that I got nothing

[afc wimbledon]

Oh and to be clear if I could stop any of this I would but I and the rest of us can't and part of me thinks supporting Gaza/Palestine is actually making things worse for the average schmoe there, that in the end abject surrender and throwing themselves on Israels mercy is the only option for Palestinians and the quicker they get to that crappy place the better, that international support just keeps the poor saps thinking help is around the corner and international pressure will win them a victory

[CroFlames]

So the solution is that one group leaves. Who has more of a claim to that land?

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm loathe to post anything here but I will try to explain my position, I see two sides, Israel and Palestine, who hate each other, I'd like to pretend it's just Hamas and Likud and the other extermists but it seems to be pretty much everyone hates the other, I think if Israel wipes out/displaces all of the west bank and Gaza most in Israel at best won't care, at worst will be pleased and I am equally certian that the Palestinians don't give a tinkers about the Israelis that died on October 7th and would slaughter every Israeli as they drove them into the sea if they had the power to do it.

I dont think there is a good or bad side and I don't think there is a solution, as such having a position is pointless, in truth I don't hope for a Palestinian homeland because it will be a fundy Islamic craphole where a Hamas or something like it will butcher gays and uppity women, it will be the Taliban on the Med' and I not going to root for that

I hate what Israel is doing as well, at this point both sides are scum and I choose not to support either, do I feel sorry for the poor schmoes just trying to get on with life there, yes but beyond that I got nothing

What a BS copout. You can't just talk about how you don't want Palestine to exist, then try to weasel out of it by saying "both sides bad".

You completely ignore the fact that there is ONE occupier here. There is ONE oppressor that's doing the vast majority of the killing and destruction. It turns out when you murder everyone's families, oppress them with little opportunity, and control all their basic necessities, people get radicalized. But hey, as soon as you put "radical Islamic" together, it suddenly justifies the expulsion and ethnic cleansing of a people, right?

Isn't it ironic that the countries in the region that have been largely left to their own devices have done reasonably well (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Jordan), while the countries with significant western meddling (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya) are the ones that are "fundy Islamic". Maybe think about what has driven them there.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So the solution is that one group leaves. Who has more of a claim to that land?

who has the best claim is irrelevant, who can force who out counts, that's why I live on stolen Musqueem land, not because I have the best claim but because we killed enough natives that they gave up

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

who has the best claim is irrelevant, who can force who out counts, that's why I live on stolen Musqueem land, not because I have the best claim but because we killed enough natives that they gave up

Totally, because as we all know, we should never evolve as human beings or learn from past mistakes. Because genocide and ethnic cleansing have taken place in the past, we should be ok with it continuing to happen and just let Israel do their thing.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

What a BS copout. You can't just talk about how you don't want Palestine to exist, then try to weasel out of it by saying "both sides bad".

You completely ignore the fact that there is ONE occupier here. There is ONE oppressor that's doing the vast majority of the killing and destruction. It turns out when you murder everyone's families, oppress them with little opportunity, and control all their basic necessities, people get radicalized. But hey, as soon as you put "radical Islamic" together, it suddenly justifies the expulsion and ethnic cleansing of a people, right?

Isn't it ironic that the countries in the region that have been largely left to their own devices have done reasonably well (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Jordan), while the countries with significant western meddling (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya) are the ones that are "fundy Islamic". Maybe think about what has driven them there.

Nothing justifies anything and I never said it did, what I said was there isnt any solution, nothing that we can do that will stop any of this and neither side is innocent nor does any outcome have a peaceful 'moral' end.

If Hamas wins they will murder every jew they can get a hold off, men women and children, all of them, am I supposed to support that??

Israel in charge is grim but it is a fait accompli and sod all any one does other than bring about the death of 3 million or so Israeli Jews is going to change that, there isnt some solution that gives Hamas power that doesn't end up in slaughter of jews beyond anything we have seen since Rwanda

You have some idea that can be sold to both sides I'm all ears

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Totally, because as we all know, we should never evolve as human beings or learn from past mistakes. Because genocide and ethnic cleansing have taken place in the past, we should be ok with it continuing to happen and just let Israel do their thing.

Well two points, I assume you are in Canada, when are we moving back to Europe and giving all of this back to the people we stole it from? we aint, we want someone else to be moral, we dont want to be though, we Canadaians are just as guilty, have and continue to kill and oppress just as many Natives as Israel does Palestinians

Second, as I pointed out, if I could change things I would but I can't and I choose not to be either a hypocrite or a fool, I don't support any brutal theocratic state any where so I am not in favour of setting one up in the levant under Hamas, that doesn't mean I like what Israel is doing

This is basically the trolley problem, which side do you want to get slaughtered? I choose neither