[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Niemo]

Trade Ras now. If we are looking to not potentially deflate a room full of hopeful hardworkers fighting for a spot, we don't want to trade our 1RHD in the middle of the season.

I also don't want the W's that come from players that we know we will trade. If we make the playoffs and go in with the team (or better) that got us there, I can't complain on that. But if we back into the playoffs with a depleted roster - I'd very much rather take the high pick as there is no chance we make any noise in the playoffs anyway. It'll just be a full week of wasted time - whatever Sutter's quote was.

Trade Ras now when teams can still make room and you have more hopefuls.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

I'm not so sure Zary is or will ever be as good as many on here believe. I'd trade him for a top 4 D in a heartbeat.

Zary tops out as a 45-50pt player IMO. Hope I'm wrong though.

Zary had 27 points in 54 games last (injury-plagued) season. So he's probably already a 45 point player. If you don't think he has any development left, fair enough. I think that's a tough argument to make though.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

I wouldn't trade Zary for Byram, because we need Zary's ceiling more then we need Byram's ceiling, and I think they have the same chance of hitting their celings.

We really don't imo. Zary's best outcome is a second line centre, Byram's is a first pairing D. If all the Sabres wanted was just Zary back one for one Conroy should make that trade.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

I'm not so sure Zary is or will ever be as good as many on here believe. I'd trade him for a top 4 D in a heartbeat.

Zary tops out as a 45-50pt player IMO. Hope I'm wrong though.

He already scored at a 45 point pace, as a 22 year old in 2023-24. He was slightly off that at 41 point pace last season, but he was recovering for part of that.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We really don't imo. Zary's best outcome is a second line centre, Byram's is a first pairing D. If all the Sabres wanted was just Zary back one for one Conroy should make that trade.

I think a 2C is just as important as a 2/3 D.

The way I see it is that this org is starved for centers, especially in that age range. We already have 3/4 of our top 4D locked up longterm in Bahl, Parehk and Weegar. Rasmus will probably get trade but you never know.

I also feel like it's easier to find D-men then centers in UFA and the trade market.


Overall I think they're somewhat comparable players. As someone else mentioned they even have similar red flags. I wouldn't hate it if they made the trade, 1-for-1, I'd just rather keep Zary.

[Niemo]

I am high on Zary. I think he has 60 point upside with an IT factor. I agree that his best outcome is a 2nd line C. Although with the way we are developing him, it seems like we are pegging him to Top 6 Winger.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I wonder if Andersson was healthy at the deadline last year too if it would have changed things, because it's also tough to move a player playing with a broken bone in his leg.

It needed to be done by the start of the draft this year, not quite sure why Conroy felt he could hold on to him past draft day.

It's obvious isn't it?

He set a price and it wasn't met.

Question now is whether or not he should adjust the price lower or stick to his guns.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by jayswin

How in the actual **** is feeling like they made a mistake not doing something last season because of "reasons that only make sense to themselves" some kind of delusional fan take? Like what kind of dismissive crap is that? I know there's a few negative posters on here with high post counts, but lately it feels more aggravating hearing any criticism shot down as stupid and annoying. Conroy is awesome, I believe he will be a good GM and truly believe in and am cheering for this build despite wanting a full tear down with top 5 picks initially.

But there is criticism as there should be for a relatively new GM, just allow all the comments positive and negative without trying to police Calgarypuck into positive only commentary. You guys don't think you do it, or believe it's right because positive is better than negative, but you definitely do it from the top (bingo) down. Let's just move forward by addressing each post on it's own rather than "OOOOHHHH THE NEGATIVE CROWD COMES OUT TO SAY THIS !!!!!!! It's so friggin stupid. (no offense Bingo but you reference "the crowd" (you tribalize) more than anyone while dismissing "negative" posters, while many "positive" posters are also cocksure and arrogant in their views of the Flames and dismissiveness of criticism. And I say that respectfully and hopefully it's taken that way. I say all that fully understanding that a few ultra negative fans likely lead to those emotions, but still.

In my case I was pointing out that "not trading" Ras last year...in the light of current events...is 20/20 hindsight. I don't recall (and I might be wrong) a huge CP movement to trade Ras at the deadline...and further, I don't know there was a market that was suitable for him. Who, in the contender status last year was going to give up "enough" to satisfy the beast that is Team Tank here?


Yes, there's always a market for a fire sale, but that wasn't the state of the Flames last year at the TDL either.


I have no problem with people who want to posit an idea...but they have to support that with either facts or some kind of background that makes sense. It's not enough as one poster (just above IIRC) said "Trade Ras now". Easier said than done...to whom? For what? Give him away? Have a contender give up another Dman? C'mon....

[Goriders]

I’d try to get rid of Ras before the season started to avoid the drama.

I wouldn’t sell the farm on Byram. Young defenders are the one thing we have a surplus of. Give some of them a chance

Solovyov
Kuznetsov
Brzustewicz
Poirier
Grushnikov
Ect ect

They are all probably better than Miromanov. He’s the guy I’m not sure what they do with.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’d try to get rid of Ras before the season started to avoid the drama.

I wouldn’t sell the farm on Byram. Young defenders are the one thing we have a surplus of. Give some of them a chance

Solovyov
Kuznetsov
Brzustewicz
Poirier
Grushnikov
Ect ect

They are all probably better than Miromanov. He’s the guy I’m not sure what they do with.

Flames don't have a 1LD. Byram is better than all of those names.

Miromanov can sit on the farm for all anyone should care.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by jayswin

How in the actual **** is feeling like they made a mistake not doing something last season because of "reasons that only make sense to themselves" some kind of delusional fan take? Like what kind of dismissive crap is that? I know there's a few negative posters on here with high post counts, but lately it feels more aggravating hearing any criticism shot down as stupid and annoying. Conroy is awesome, I believe he will be a good GM and truly believe in and am cheering for this build despite wanting a full tear down with top 5 picks initially.

But there is criticism as there should be for a relatively new GM, just allow all the comments positive and negative without trying to police Calgarypuck into positive only commentary. You guys don't think you do it, or believe it's right because positive is better than negative, but you definitely do it from the top (bingo) down. Let's just move forward by addressing each post on it's own rather than "OOOOHHHH THE NEGATIVE CROWD COMES OUT TO SAY THIS !!!!!!! It's so friggin stupid. (no offense Bingo but you reference "the crowd" (you tribalize) more than anyone while dismissing "negative" posters, while many "positive" posters are also cocksure and arrogant in their views of the Flames and dismissiveness of criticism. And I say that respectfully and hopefully it's taken that way. I say all that fully understanding that a few ultra negative fans likely lead to those emotions, but still.

I agree strongly with this post. I will also add that any time someone has a different opinion from "the clique" they accuse you of having multiple accounts or being a banned user. They pounce like vultures.

Because they can't see how people could possibly have a different opinion from them. I just hope going forward people are more open minded to new ideas. These are all just opinions and there are likely some valid points in most posts whether positive or negative.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I agree strongly with this post. I will also add that any time someone has a different opinion from "the clique" they accuse you of having multiple accounts or being a banned user. They pounce like vultures.

Because they can't see how people could possibly have a different opinion from them. I just hope going forward people are more open minded to new ideas. These are all just opinions and there are likely some valid points in most posts whether positive or negative.

For the thousanth time... it isn't the difference in opinions, it's how they're being presented

[Goriders]

There’s a difference between open debating and people that make things personal.

There’s definitely a group that tends to steer towards personal attacks.

But that’s why the ignore button was created.

[Toonage]

To Jayswin's comment, this goes both ways (unless thats what you mean) and that "the "positive" posters are also cocksure and arrogant in their views of the Flames and dismissiveness of criticism" is spot on.

[All In Good Time]

Such Victims

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I agree strongly with this post. I will also add that any time someone has a different opinion from "the clique" they accuse you of having multiple accounts or being a banned user. They pounce like vultures.

Because they can't see how people could possibly have a different opinion from them. I just hope going forward people are more open minded to new ideas. These are all just opinions and there are likely some valid points in most posts whether positive or negative.

I don't like the stuff about being a banned user and what not, but that's pretty limited to a very small number of posters who toss that stuff out there.

If you are asking to be more open minded, are you committing to do the same? You seem to have a very narrow view on how the Flames should build their team. So are you also going to be more open minded?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't like the stuff about being a banned user and what not, but that's pretty limited two a very small number of posters who toss that stuff out there.

If you are asking to be more open minded, are you committing to do the same? You seem to have a very narrow view on how the Flames should build their team. So are you also going to be more open minded?

I actually feel like I have been lately. But at times I had come across arrogant with my views as well. It's just being a passionate fan for the most part.

Already there have been some comments since I posted above trying to stir the pot and start an argument. This is the kind of thing I find annoying, but it happens from both sides.

And to be clear I am talking about comments like "such victims" and "for the thousandth time" that are trying to stir the pot and create an argument.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

I think a 2C is just as important as a 2/3 D.

The way I see it is that this org is starved for centers, especially in that age range. We already have 3/4 of our top 4D locked up longterm in Bahl, Parehk and Weegar. Rasmus will probably get trade but you never know.

I also feel like it's easier to find D-men then centers in UFA and the trade market.


Overall I think they're somewhat comparable players. As someone else mentioned they even have similar red flags. I wouldn't hate it if they made the trade, 1-for-1, I'd just rather keep Zary.

They just added a future #2 C in Reschny or possibly Potter if he sticks and here. Both those players have higher upside than Zary. We have nobody in the organization with Byram's upside on the left side.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They just added a future #2 C in Reschny or possibly Potter if he sticks and here. Both those players have higher upside than Zary. We have nobody in the organization with Byram's upside on the left side.

Also Frost could develop into a 2nd line center. There are 3 options there and hopefully one pans out.

I can see why they want Byram.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We really don't imo. Zary's best outcome is a second line centre, Byram's is a first pairing D. If all the Sabres wanted was just Zary back one for one Conroy should make that trade.

I don't see a top pairing D in Byram's potential, at least not a D that can carry a pairing like Weegar. That's wishful thinking at this point. I think he will turn into a decent offensive defensemen, with a ceiling around Brady Skjei. He doesn't seem to think the game on a high enough level defensively, and he struggles whenever he defends top forwards.

That's why I'd rather keep Zary, and I hope he takes another step. I just have a hard time betting against him.