Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by stemit14

So at what point does the panic set in for Oilers fans if McDavid does not sign? Draisaitl signed near the end of August last year I think. Taking that long could really make them sweat. I really have no read on if he will sign any kind of extension. This offseason so far should not fill him with confidence.

As much as I would like to see them panic, it's too early really. Draisaitl didn't sign his extension until later. If talks are going well, then management can take care of the other business first. I'd be more worried about the Leafs not locking in Marner long term and creating some flexibility for next July 1st. I suspect the moves they made (or didn't make this summer) are setting themselves up to offer a contract to McDavid. next July and I am sure he noticed that as well.

I would start to worry more once the puck drops to start the season. At that point, many players don't want the distraction or just want to see how the season goes first.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

As of today...

Add in Lazar and Mangiapane.

Is Nigel Dawes available?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Margaret Whitton was a treasure, she was great in Major League 1 and 2, and brilliant in Secret of my success and Best of times.


And just remember She hates that F'ing song.

Maybe she's not a Wild Child or, she might think she loves it but needs to know for sure.

[Groot]

This is the end for Edmonton and the McDrai era. McDavid knows it, the team knows it, management knows it, some fans realize it while others have yet to come to terms with it.

The Oilers have been a stunning example of why culture matters so much. The Oilers got to the SCF twice in spite of how poor the team was managed and thats a testament to McDavid and Draisatl. I'm 100% certain that ANY other team in the league, even Buffalo, has a Cup or two with those two, but Edmonton failed so badly at building a winning culture and team it will he studied for years to come.

In the past 4 seasons, McDavid has put up an unbelievable 128 points in 75 games for 1.71 PPG. Draisatl has 114 points in 75 games for 1.52 PPG.

The Oilers have no team identity, no intrinsic culture built into the organization. They don't have passionate players playing for the team, they have the cheapest mercenaries that were available at the time to plug in around McDrai.

They have two criteria for bringing in players to build the team. Are they cheap and are they available? If the answer to both is 'yes' the Oilers will happily offer a contract and then frame it as them taking a discount to play in Edmonton.

[memphusk]

Their leaders also don't know how to lead. Rifling C's onto 18 year old kids sweaters doesn't always work out. That's weird.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

As of today...

whoa, whoa, whoa...why would you have a future Norris winner on the outside looking in?

[Eric Vail]

Additions and Subtractions

Subtract:
Evander Kane (33) 0 games, 0 points, Playoff TOP/GP 16:29
Corey Perry (40) 81 games, 30 points, Playoff TOP/GP 15:16
Connor Brown (31) 82 games, 30 points, Playoff TOP/GP 15:41
Jeff Skinner (33) 72 games, 29 points, Playoff TOP/GP 12:13
Viktor Arvidsson (32) 67 games 27 points, Playoff TOP/GP 11:36
John Klingberg (32) 11 games 4 points, Playoff TOP/GP19:08

Add
Curtis Lazar (30) 48 games, 5 points
Andrew Mangiapane (29) 81 games, 28 points
Trent Frederick (27) 58 games, 16 points
Riley Stillman (27) 5 games, 0 points

So, the team sees 120 points leaving and 49 points incoming and this doesn't include Kane's LTIR shenanagans.

[TheIronMaiden]

Realistically what does a trade for McDavid, without an extension in place look like?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Realistically what does a trade for McDavid, without an extension in place look like?

[direwolf]

If I’m McDavid and his agent, I’d be looking very seriously at every possible option out there to sign with a legit contender for a real chance at a Cup. If they’re not, then they’re both complete f’n morons.

Considering the lack of depth on the current Oilers roster and the dismal state of their prospect pool, there’s no chance in hell he’s winning a Cup in Edmonton. He has to know that, right? Or perhaps he doesn’t care about winning a championship at all, and he’s actually more concerned about getting his McPP points and individual trophies. If that’s the case, then sure. Go ahead and spend the remainder of your prime years with the most embarrassing franchise in pro sports.

[stemit14]

My guess is that he signs a 2-3 year contract extension. He still controls his destiny in this scenario. As others have pointed out, the future does not look bright for the oilers so it makes little sense for him to commit the rest of his career there. He bets on the oilers being able to duplicate their playoffs in the western conference (a bad bet to make though) one more time and hope that he doesn’t face the Panthers again. He likely knows this team will be bad 2 years from now - maybe not even a playoff team. He might even know that they have already peaked. He could still leave at any point simply by saying he wants to be traded. His full NMC would make it so he decides where he goes.

Not saying it’s the right decision for him. He definitely should leave if he wants to win a cup. But I could see him signing something like this.

[topfiverecords]

Foegele, McLeod, Holloway, Broberg

to

Podkolzin, Perry, Arvidsson, Skinner, Klingberg

to

Mangiapane, Lazar, Kapanen, Frederick, Stillman

+ ditch Kane and lose Brown

Dig up stupid!

[Remember1989]

Originally Posted by direwolf

If I’m McDavid and his agent, I’d be looking very seriously at every possible option out there to sign with a legit contender for a real chance at a Cup. If they’re not, then they’re both complete f’n morons.

Considering the lack of depth on the current Oilers roster and the dismal state of their prospect pool, there’s no chance in hell he’s winning a Cup in Edmonton. He has to know that, right? Or perhaps he doesn’t care about winning a championship at all, and he’s actually more concerned about getting his McPP points and individual trophies. If that’s the case, then sure. Go ahead and spend the remainder of your prime years with the most embarrassing franchise in pro sports.

I’m with you. It’s obvious this squad is not - at least on paper - a contender in any way shape or form. I mean it would be impressive if he and Peon pulled it off and those two are undeniably talented, but a hard choice has to be made. So, if he does sign he is putting his legacy at considerable risk. It’s really hard to see it any other way.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My guess is that he signs a 2-3 year contract extension. He still controls his destiny in this scenario. As others have pointed out, the future does not look bright for the oilers so it makes little sense for him to commit the rest of his career there. He bets on the oilers being able to duplicate their playoffs in the western conference (a bad bet to make though) one more time and hope that he doesn’t face the Panthers again. He likely knows this team will be bad 2 years from now - maybe not even a playoff team. He might even know that they have already peaked. He could still leave at any point simply by saying he wants to be traded. His full NMC would make it so he decides where he goes.

Not saying it’s the right decision for him. He definitely should leave if he wants to win a cup. But I could see him signing something like this.

Those two statements don't go together, if winning is his goal. He already has one year in Edmonton, why would he sign for 2-3 more, knowing that he'd be missing the playoffs for two years in Edmonton.

He could have one more run with the Oilers this year, and sign a new contract with a new organization at the end of the season, when the Oilers are poised to take another step back.

[indes]

Originally Posted by stemit14

My guess is that he signs a 2-3 year contract extension. He still controls his destiny in this scenario. As others have pointed out, the future does not look bright for the oilers so it makes little sense for him to commit the rest of his career there. He bets on the oilers being able to duplicate their playoffs in the western conference (a bad bet to make though) one more time and hope that he doesn’t face the Panthers again. He likely knows this team will be bad 2 years from now - maybe not even a playoff team. He might even know that they have already peaked. He could still leave at any point simply by saying he wants to be traded. His full NMC would make it so he decides where he goes.

Not saying it’s the right decision for him. He definitely should leave if he wants to win a cup. But I could see him signing something like this.

I wonder if he looks at their roster and is thinking his stats might take a hit. Who are his wingers now? An aging Hyman and RNH? Their stats are plummeting and his are falling as well. 2 more years could do some serious damage to his superstar status if he keeps falling down the leaderboard.

That's what I would be thinking, even outside the obvious risk of injury/illness.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by troutman

iCarly is now 32 years old.

[FlamesAreOne]

Mang instantly slots into their top 6 and PP2 unit.

E=NG.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by indes

I wonder if he looks at their roster and is thinking his stats might take a hit. Who are his wingers now? An aging Hyman and RNH? Their stats are plummeting and his are falling as well. 2 more years could do some serious damage to his superstar status if he keeps falling down the leaderboard.

That's what I would be thinking, even outside the obvious risk of injury/illness.

Pissy will be his winger as always, they'll lose the game but he and Pissy will score 3 to 4 points each.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Mang instantly slots into their top 6 and PP2 unit.

E=NG.

So no PP time then

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Those two statements don't go together, if winning is his goal. He already has one year in Edmonton, why would he sign for 2-3 more, knowing that he'd be missing the playoffs for two years in Edmonton.

He could have one more run with the Oilers this year, and sign a new contract with a new organization at the end of the season, when the Oilers are poised to take another step back.

You’re right. Meant to calculate for the extra year on his deal. guessing they are a non-playoff team 3 season from now at the latest. But it could be as early as this season with the moves they have made so far. They were barely a playoff team this year.