Hybrid draft feedback/discussion

[Jiri Hrdina]

We’ve seen picks dumped in the past because people decide not to attend the life draft and move them for whatever they can get

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Ped

Presumably if you're selling your picks, you're saying you don't need them, so why would you be allowed in the supplemental draft?

Agreed we could say if u cash in a pick you automatically opt out of the supplemental
Pretty easy

[Swayze11]

I am a big fan of the hybrid draft so far. I think it has created a lot of trade buzz and discord chatter. I do agree that it has been slower than I anticipated but overall I am pretty happy with it.

I like the idea of trading picks for cash, it provides a lot more flexibility in constructing a roster. If this is in response to teams potentially dumping picks (which I have yet to see) then it's a good idea.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

If we really cared about it being slow we should have set a time limit. We are trying stuff and that takes patience. People have lives and playing within the rules is what it comes down to. I think there are positives but I think some of these alternates are getting a bit too complicated and straying from the original intent. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing but I am a bit hesitant to keep adding shiny new rules.

I just don't see how we can have a time limit for those reasons.

But generally we could ask people to commit to picking slightly faster.

- If someone can't pick because they are busy with life stuff, or unavailable, that is understandable and has to be respected
- If someone isn't picking because they are negotiating actively a trade that is also fine, but folks should be reasonable and try to get to resolution faster
- If someone is taking more time to hum and haw about a pick, that's the stuff that we need to cut out. GMs should be prepared with the list, such that if they know they are keeping the pick, they should be able to do so reasonably quick. I get wanting to do some final validation but if it's taking hours, that's someone taking too long IMHO.

[Blaster86]

How about a system where if you are ready to pick but are negotiating a trade you put a post out stating that and then a clock starts? Say 30 minutes or an hour after you are ready to pick you have to have it in, either the trade or the pick?

[TheScorpion]

Montreal has been on the clock for nearly four hours...

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

How about a system where if you are ready to pick but are negotiating a trade you put a post out stating that and then a clock starts? Say 30 minutes or an hour after you are ready to pick you have to have it in, either the trade or the pick?

Or a clock starts after the previous pick, and you can stop the clock by posting anything. That would at least infer that the GM is aware that it is their pick.

"I'm going to sleep."
Picks 12 hours later.
That would take care of the life aspect.

"Silence."
Picks 12 hours later.
Monetary cap sanction of 250k?

It would at least guarantee two picks a day! I think that if it's front of mind that it's a GM's pick, it will get done. Also, it would eliminate the rest of the league being in the dark as to why it's taking so long.

[Blaster86]

I think we just move to the next pick until we hear from you. Only pause when we get to the end of the round.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I do think just some communication helps. That's why I posted this morning that I was in the dentist chair. I saw picks had been made, and knew it was me, but because i was at the dentist I didn't have my list.

Can just be "busy day at work, gonna be a few hours". Or whatever.

The slower draft works.
But massive pauses take some of the joy out of it for sure.

[3thirty]

Although I haven't picked I am enjoying this much more than years past. It is going sower then it should, and some sort of time limit should be upheld.

Also I think GM's should have an idea how things are going a few picks before them and be a bit more prepared, but again first year problems.

A timeline during the day (2-3 hours) that pauses at night say 10pm (any gm in a weird time zone states it before the draft).

I like the idea of cap for picks only during the draft.

Maybe start earlier next year by a few days and keep it going until the day before the draft or something.

[TheScorpion]

I agree that 2-3 hours is reasonable. We're going on six now though which IMO is way, way too long.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I agree that 6 is way too long, but it's a lot to ask that people make themselves available, within 2-3 hour periods, for an entire week.
But then again, exceptions can be made if the GM says so.

But yeah this is brutal.

[savardandjokinen]

My question is do people not have lists pre made? I’ve never entered a draft without one

[savardandjokinen]

When I’ve done fantasy football league slow drafts we’ve had a time clock of X amount of time and it pauses overnight. You can still make picks when it’s paused but the time doesn’t start for the next person until the overnight pause ends if that makes sense. Could do a 3 hour limit with an overnight pause from like 11-7 or something next time

[MJK]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

My question is do people not have lists pre made? I’ve never entered a draft without one

ChatGPT did mine.

Ya, that's my level of knowledge on these kids, I am throwing some darts and hope a couple land! Will likely pick some "cool names" as well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

When I’ve done fantasy football league slow drafts we’ve had a time clock of X amount of time and it pauses overnight. You can still make picks when it’s paused but the time doesn’t start for the next person until the overnight pause ends if that makes sense. Could do a 3 hour limit with an overnight pause from like 11-7 or something next time

How do we deal with people that are in different parts of the world?

My view is this either functions without time limits and GMs do their best to make picks in a reasonable time, or it doesn't work at all.

It started out well but the last 2 days have been frustrating my from POV.

[devo22]

it's a fine line. Obviously there's personal lives and all of that, but the success (and enjoyment of all participants) of this hinges on everybody trying.

[Tilley]

I could be wrong, but at this point it is not the GMs that do not live in North America that are holding up the draft. How many GMs are not in North America? Devo, probably 3-4 others, but the vast majority are in NA although literally from coast to coast.

It seems like the biggest issues with GMs not making their selection in a timely manner have more to do with not having a plan or list in place until their selection comes up and then starting to do their homework or fielding trade requests at the last minute and then needing time to make a decision. Without some sort of time limit on picks and just hoping GMs make timely selections is a recipe for disaster.

Are GMs PMing the next Gm to make a pick? All the online drafts I have participated had this as a fundamental rule to inform the next person it was their turn to select.

I am not a huge proponent of giving cap for picks for a number of reasons.
1) All the trades that have been made to this point didn't take this into consideration. Someone who is sitting on a bunch of 4th rounders would be wise to cash in and get an extra 2-3 mil in cap space as it is very unlikely any of those picks turn out.
2) The proposed values are way too high. The last couple of years we are starting to see picks traded for crazy amounts of cap. Sometimes likely because teams are intentionally tanking and selling off cap to get high picks and others because they have ~$30 mil in cap space. Maybe at half the proposed values it would be a more difficult decision.
3) We could see less trading as GMs may want to keep picks just to cash them in for extra cap. Teams picking late in each round could make over 5 mil in cap just from their own picks. This further separates the have franchises from the have not franchises.

I like the idea of a hybrid draft, but we have had issues in the past with the live draft with people dumping picks, not showing up, not showing up prepared, etc. This is obviously just a symptom of a larger problem where the level of involvement by some GMs is just not there. I appreciate the discussion and hopefully we can use this year as a trial run to develop a much more efficient draft process for next year.

[Swayze11]

Hypothetical, if we were mid 3rd round by now - I assume most people would be singing praise of the hybrid approach.

[Goffie]

My issue is that June weekdays are a right off for me. I am literally working 7am-9pm Monday-Thursday. If this started on a Friday I would have my picks made much quicker. But I literally leave work and head straight to the soccer field to run programming for 4-5hrs and go home and crash. So as much as I love to draft it’s next to impossible for me to give it the proper attention during the week.


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