Can't get enough of these videos. This surely must be one of the greatest special ops ever. All against a nuclear power, and targeted part of their nuclear triad. Now this is what special operation is all about
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Can't get enough of these videos. This surely must be one of the greatest special ops ever. All against a nuclear power, and targeted part of their nuclear triad. Now this is what special operation is all about
Right now the US airforce is trying to work out how much it will cost and how long it will take to create underground hangers for all its B52's
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Unusual that Ukraine releases such details from an operation like that. I wonder whether it's because they know good footage and details help make the news in the West, or because they want to increase paranoia inside Russia, or because they believe a visible strike will boost morale at home.
(Obviously could be any combination... or some other motivation )
Or, and this is total speculation, they may have wanted to conceal a different method of getting drones deep into Russia with a plausible cover story that would be compelling enough to get a lot of attention/news. Kind of like the Brits planting stories about their increased night fighter effectiveness being due to their pilots eating lots of as a cover for the allied advances in radar during WWII)
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Or, and this is total speculation, they may have wanted to conceal a different method of getting drones deep into Russia with a plausible cover story that would be compelling enough to get a lot of attention/news. Kind of like the Brits planting stories about their increased night fighter effectiveness being due to their pilots eating lots of as a cover for the allied advances in radar during WWII)
True, any part of this could be a misdirection of some sort. Including the part where they claim that the operatives have returned to Ukraine.
A historical strike in any case. By proving the possibility of a strike like this, I'm guessing Ukraine likely just ended the practice of storing combat aircraft under open sky anywhere in the world.
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Perun with good analysis of "How realistic is peace at this point".
Short version: not realistic in the near future unless the situation on the battlefield changes significantly.
Ukrainians see the war as existential, meaning they believe that Russias real goals are essentially the destruction of Ukraine and its people. They have little reason to stop fighting unless they get some sort of a solid guarantee that Russia doesn't try this again, and those guarantees are not on the horizon... plus they wouldn't be accepted by Russia as part of a peace deal. In short, the support for war in Ukraine is still strong.
Russias sunk costs for this war are increasing by the day, which has resulted in their war goals expanding further and further to somehow justify the enormous losses they've suffered, so really the countries are probably as far away from peace as they've ever been.
Not mentioned in this video, but I think both sides also still feel like they can win this, which is a major reason to keep fighting.
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The belief is that 34% of Russia's total strategic bombing fleet was destroyed in one shot. The real number could be higher considering it uses Russia's own numbers for their fleet, and that number may not be fully operational. Many of the planes destroyed were armed and likely caused Russia's weekly Monday barrage to be neutered.
It's highly likely that Ukraine just destroyed the main bombing fleet that has terrorized Ukraine to the point they will no longer be able to engage in swarming volleys of missiles as they once did.
It cannot be understated how much of a complete disaster this is to Russia and coup it is for Ukraine. This is their main NATO deterrence bombing fleet decimated in a day.
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Too bad they didn't get even more of them! Amazing strike by Ukraine, but it kind of proves how vulnerable the traditional weapons systems are to drone attacks.
Too bad they didn't get even more of them! Amazing strike by Ukraine, but it kind of proves how vulnerable the traditional weapons systems are to drone attacks.
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Drones are only going to get more scary. In the right hands = good. In the wrong hands = bad
My buddy got a little DJI drone that can follow. We were in the park with his kids who wanted to play, so we set it to follow them. Watching the video after it was incredibly unsettling how their movements were so similar to those we see of soldiers trying to get away. Deeking left and right, always, head turned back watching in fear, diving into the trees.
On the plus side, these two youngin's will be slightly better prepared for our dystopian futurepresent.
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Drones are only going to get more scary. In the right hands = good. In the wrong hands = bad
This is the future of terrorism and the russians already do plenty terrorist attacks using them. The way they target civilians is disturbing and other groups are surely watching. Even last night after the Ukranians blew up the airfields, the russians attacked Kharkiv with swarms of drones targeting apartment buildings. As much as we praise Ukraine for their innovation in drone tech, and rightfully so, russia is just as advanced. Unfortunately this kind of advancement in drone tech is a direct domino of the slow drip of aid policy over the past few years that led to this kind of innovation.
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My buddy got a little DJI drone that can follow. We were in the park with his kids who wanted to play, so we set it to follow them. Watching the video after it was incredibly unsettling how their movements were so similar to those we see of soldiers trying to get away. Deeking left and right, always, head turned back watching in fear, diving into the trees.
On the plus side, these two youngin's will be slightly better prepared for our dystopian futurepresent.
I didn't realize initially how significant the strike on the airbases was. Of course it benefits Ukraine in their conflict, but it has wider reaching impacts.
Some of the stuff I'm reading insinuates their nuclear deterrent has now significantly been impacted, i.e.: they can't deliver a nuke to an enemy target by plane anymore. Sure, they have subs and ICBMs but no planes capable anymore. This would be a huge win for the traditional western alliance, but of course the USA has broken away and is aligning itself more with Russia.
Of course Russian extremists are coming out and saying this is why they need to use nukes on Ukraine.
I'm curious, are we seeing anything yet from Ukraine regarding using foreign provided long range weapons now that other countries have given them the go ahead?
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