2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Groot

Execpt an insider with connections to the Sharks has stated that Andersson is 2nd target for the Sharks after Ekblad, so he definitely has some value to them.

I don't think Andersson + 18th + 22nd is scoffed at. Add additional supplementary pieces to close the deal. That is if our scouts believe Misa is the real deal. I also don't think it's getting our asset base. It's an expiring asset, and turning 2 1sts into 1, plus whatever supplementary pieces and we are flush with D prospects.

Looking at the PuckPedia pick value calculator. The Value of the 2nd pick is 72.69.

The value of 18th and 22nd comes in at 37.81. Difference is 34.88.

Now a 10th pick is worth 34.22. The question is if Andersson alone have the value to make up the 10th. Probably not, but how closer does he make it.

I am guessing that the value going to SJ would probably have to exceed the 72.69 value the 2nd pick is worth for them to give up the pick. Unless they really like the pieces they are getting back or do not like the players available.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know that Misa is a guy I would gut my asset base for. He think he likely is a #2 centre in the NHL, not a franchise #1.

Ya, I don't get this. He put up 2+ PPG in his draft year. You have to go back a long long time to find another center in the OHL who has done anything close to this.

Misa has outproduce almost everyone in his age category, as a center, his entire career. He has outproduced legit historical star centers, including Steven Stamkos, Wyatt Johnston, Nick Suzuki and on and on.

He skates like the wind, plays Center, is 6'1, defensively responsible and a lethal shot.

I honestly do not understand how Schaeffer would ever be going 1st over him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I will be shocked if Rasmus returns a 1st at this point.

Chycrun is a good comparable. Was traded last season with one year left at $4.6 mil cap hit and pending UFA, looking for a big contract. Traded to washington for nick jensen and a 3rd.

Why would Ottawa who was actively looking for a top 4 right shot Dman and got one in the Chychrun trade for a left shot dman that they had an abundance of be the best comparable? A good comparable would be right shot dmen that have been traded. There are not many right shot top pairing dmen who ever get traded, Karlsson twice, David Savard got a 1st and a 3rd.

There are not many right shot dmen that go on the market largely because they only make up about 35% of all NHL dmen and about 35% of the top scoring dmen. Comparing the value of a right shot dman to a left shot dman is like comparing the value of a center and a winger. One is way more valuable.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Ya, I don't get this. He put up 2+ PPG in his draft year. You have to go back a long long time to find another center in the OHL who has done anything close to this.

Misa has outproduce almost everyone in his age category, as a center, his entire career. He has outproduced legit historical star centers, including Steven Stamkos, Wyatt Johnston, Nick Suzuki and on and on.

He skates like the wind, plays Center, is 6'1, defensively responsible and a lethal shot.

I honestly do not understand how Schaeffer would ever be going 1st over him.

Because there is more than looking at the stat sheet to scout potential NHL players and deciding who will be better 3-5 years down the road.

I understand your point, because I don't have the skill to make those assessments either.

Yet every major scouting source has Schaeffer listed ahead of him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I doubt Frost gets traded unless Conroy can't sign him. If his value was high, Philly would have got more.

I love Zary, but if teams are after him and we can move up in the draft and draft a center, we need to look at it.

Huberdeau and Coronato are both here for a while.

Sharangovich is signed for 5 more years and wouldn't get as much as Zary in a trade and long term could be just as good.

Farabee more than likely won't move for the same reasons as Frost.

Pospisil and Klapka won't bring a huge return and are cheap keeps as they won't cost much against the cap.

That's already 6 wingers that all are locked into a top 9 roles except Klapka and Pospisil. I think they both deserve another look next year to see if they stick in the top 9.

Until Coleman is traded, he is a top 9 forward.

Then we have the following wingers knocking on the door in the next year or 2.

Suniev
Honzek
Battaglia
Basha
Gridin
Stromgren

Add 2 more 1sts in this draft where we likely to get another winger.

We need a center and if Zary + can get us 1, we are set at wing without him.

This is all true but I think the best centre Zary can get is if he sticks with the centre role himself. I don’t think Zary+ gets an age appropriate center with upside back.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Huh?
Point has been the #1C on one of the strongest teams in the league for the last 3 years.
If he's Point with higher scoring upside (which, I agree, good style comparison) then he's indisputably a #1C in the league.

Right, I think he’s got potential for the Point #1C but was saying “worse case” scenario he’s an amazing 2C (in my mind)

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

To be honest I'm losing track of the various offers.
So to clarify
Would I trade Rasmus + the two 2025 1sts for him?
Yes.

Would I trade Zary + the two 2025 1sts for him?
Yes.

Would I make either deal if it involved one of the 2026 1sts? Probably not. Maybe the Vegas pick but Hockey is so random at times that I would prefer to hang on to 2026 picks because I think the top end of that draft is significantly better.

My suggestion was Rasmus zary and 2 1sts. Still think it’s worth a crack at a #1 center even if he isn’t a McDavid or MacKinnon

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I am one of Sean Monahan's biggest fans, but he is not really close to Michael Misa in any talent category. Maybe snap shot... but I dont even think so.

This entirely. And no offense to Monahan.

In his draft year, Monahan put up 78 points in 58 games, with 31 goals, as an 18-year old (he turned 18 on Oct. 12 in his draft season).

In his draft year, Misa put up 134 points in 65 games, with 62 goals, primarily as a 17-year old (he turned 18 on Feb. 16 in his draft season).

They are not the same.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

My suggestion was Rasmus zary and 2 1sts. Still think it’s worth a crack at a #1 center even if he isn’t a McDavid or MacKinnon

I doubt the Sharks want Zary at all, and that's not a knock on Zary. He doesn't fit a positional need for SJ, which is why they are considering trading away the 2nd overall pick. If they wanted a C that slots at wing, they would keep the pick and just take Misa.

Andersson + 18 + 22 + Kuznetsov/Solovyov/Poirier/Grushnikov (SJ take your pick).

I also think the hockey gods finally smite Vegas and their unprotected pick becomes top 10.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Groot

This entirely. And no offense to Monahan.

In his draft year, Monahan put up 78 points in 58 games, with 31 goals, as an 18-year old (he turned 18 on Oct. 12 in his draft season).

In his draft year, Misa put up 134 points in 65 games, with 62 goals, primarily as a 17-year old (he turned 18 on Feb. 16 in his draft season).

They are not the same.

I was meaning generalities in terms of makeup, not in terms of points and results. Also, I don't feel it's necessarily a good comparison as scoring in all ways seems way higher now in the junior leagues than it did in Monahan's era.

I also think people underrate Monahan due to his injuries. He was well on his way to being a 500+ goal guy in the NHL until his injuries. He would have had around 325 or so goals by now if not for all that.

[stemit14]

I think I would be fine trading 18th + 22nd + Andersson for 2nd overall. That is a really good offer assuming Andersson could likely return a 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + prospect on his own.

It’s so, so rare for a top 5 pick to be traded these days though. Teams say they are willing to trade picks in that range every year but it never seems to happen.

Have to also consider what other teams could offer San Jose for that pick.

Examples:

Montreal could offer 15th overall + 16th overall + Reinbacher
Boston could offer 7th overall + Hampus Lindholm

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Groot

I doubt the Sharks want Zary at all, and that's not a knock on Zary. He doesn't fit a positional need for SJ, which is why they are considering trading away the 2nd overall pick. If they wanted a C that slots at wing, they would keep the pick and just take Misa.

Andersson + 18 + 22 + Kuznetsov/Solovyov/Poirier/Grushnikov (SJ take your pick).

I also think the hockey gods finally smite Vegas and their unprotected pick becomes top 10.

I doubt they have no interest in Zary. Zary looks good but his offensive skills aren’t great. He brings energy most night. Still a ways to go to say he doesn’t evolve into a 2 way player that excels on the PK. Time will tell but can’t imagine the Sharks have no interest in

Sharks might not be high on Misa and feel they don’t need him with what they got. But I would not be shocked if they keep the pick too

[InternationalVillager]

I used to think we made a mistake trading for Frost + Farabee. We have too many players and not enough slots. But then there's no player banging on the door down the middle even if we draft one this year.

Kadri/Frost/Backlund are our C's for the next couple of years atleast.

Huberdeau/Coronato/Sharangovich/Farabee/Coleman/Zary are the wingers.

Flames top 9 is pretty much set. I don't think any of the Flames prospects are bashing down the door.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Coronato
Farabee-Frost-Sharangovich
Coleman-Backlund-Zary

That's where we're going to be for next fall unless Flames make a major trade or UFA signing - ex. Marner etc.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know that Misa is a guy I would gut my asset base for. He think he likely is a #2 centre in the NHL, not a franchise #1.

Agreed. There's a lot to like about this draft but I don't think this is the year you want to gut your assets to move up. Flames would do well to just draft a couple studs at 18 and 20-whatever.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

Agreed. There's a lot to like about this draft but I don't think this is the year you want to gut your assets to move up. Flames would do well to just draft a couple studs at 18 and 20-whatever.

Studs drop off sharply somewhere around pick 12 in this draft. There will be a few surprises as always but that's always been the book on this draft. Not much top end and not much depth.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Studs drop off sharply somewhere around pick 12 in this draft. There will be a few surprises as always but that's always been the book on this draft. Not much top end and not much depth.

Yes, this is unlikely to be a draft where they walk away with a bonafide future #1 center, but if they could walk away with a couple guys that look like future 2/3 C that'd be a huge win.

There's always guys through out the draft. This team has done a great job of finding those guys. Let them cook.

[stemit14]

I want the flames to get Misa so much. Is there a real chance that the flames could trade for him without moving any of the following pieces:

Wolf
Parekh
Coronato
Zary
Flames 2026 1st round pick
Vegas 2026 1st round pick
Flames 2027 1st round pick

To be clear - I would ok with the flames trading one of those picks if they are HEAVILY protected (i.e. protected to the point that there is virtually no chance the pick the flames give up in any of those drafts is a top 10 pick).

That leaves any of the following prospects/players/picks to be used in a trade for 2nd overall (only listing assets that I believe have value in a trade):

18th overall pick in 2025 draft
22nd overall pick in 2025 draft
63rd overall pick in 2025 draft
2nd round pick in 2026 draft
2nd round pick in 2027 draft
3rd round pick in 2026 draft
3rd round pick in 2027 draft
Andersson
Posposil
Coleman
Kadri
Weegar
Bahl
Frost
Brzustewicz
Honzek
Gridin
Mews
Basha
Battaglia
Morin

Is there a combination of those assets that would be close to enough to acquire 2nd overall from San Jose? This is all assuming Misa is available at 2nd overall.

[jg13]

18th, Andersson, Mews and Poirier would be my package to SJ. Would like another shot at a C in this draft outside of Misa (Keeping 22 OA)

Also think Morin is going to slot in on the Flames lineup sooner than later.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by jg13

18th, Andersson, Mews and Poirier would be my package to SJ. Would like another shot at a C in this draft outside of Misa (Keeping 22 OA)

Also think Morin is going to slot in on the Flames lineup sooner than later.

Not sure they bite at that, but I would start the car as well.
Misa from my viewing is the real deal in this draft, easily the best center prospect.

[jg13]

Quite possible they say no but we have a log jam of young d guys on the verge of making the show. I'd much rather use that to our advantage and try to draft some Cs was more so my point if they're willing to dance