Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

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Originally Posted by Lubicon

How does this compare to the rest of Canada?

Good question, would need more data to demonstrate some kind of causal link between lack of vaccine support by the UCP and outcomes (or maybe the broader sentiment towards vaccines across society is more influential and the UCP policy just exacerbates it).

Did find this: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/ont...fd7141d76.html

But couldn't easily find a similar graph for Ontario

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sure, but you claimed this graph and data was a proxy for leadership effectiveness?

I've got no love lost for the guy, but I think we can all acknowledge his leadership earlier in the pandemic was actually pretty damn good.

It's silly to only acknowledge what was done well by those on your "team".

[Monahammer]

Kenney was deeply ideologically opposed to COVID shut downs but did them anyways because he was a reasonably good leader in that he actually listened to experts around him. He made some bonehead moves during that same period to service his ideological needs, but by and large made difficult (especially for him) decisions for the betterment of the province.

The service of anti-vax positions framed as a "choice" for the user type of argument and the leadership that has enabled that is the reason we have measels again, and more flu deaths as Fuzz pointed out.

I am a relatively new parent, kids both 5 and under. I think the amount of parents currently reticent about vaccines is absolutely staggering. I am vocal when I hear it, but just the other day I found out one of my "best" Dad friends is hesitant about vaccines for his kids. Leaders giving room for these opinions have been like bellows on tinders of conspiracy idiots in our society. Now everyone feels like they can and should question experts.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I've got no love lost for the guy, but I think we can all acknowledge his leadership earlier in the pandemic was actually pretty damn good.

It's silly to only acknowledge what was done well by those on your "team".

Equally silly as those trying to post graphs showing increasing influenza deaths as related to poor leadership without providing greater context?
Yes, influenza deaths have increased (in every jurisdiction) over the last couple of years but to attribute it to wholly to leadership, as Fuzz and his post are doing, it wrong. It removes the greater context of the issue and is trying to say that policies of the government are solely responsible.

The causation between leadership and increases in influenza death as promoted by Fuzz is grossly overstated for political reasons.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Alberta overhauls election laws to allow corporate donations, change referendum thresholds







https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...olds-1.7522144

The kicker for me is changing the threshold for constitutional referendums from 20% of eligible voters to 10% of actual voters. One separatist movement claims more than that number of people registered with them. And the new lax donation rules apply to referendums too. She is so setting this up.

Edit: And increasing the period for collecting signatures from 90 to 120 days and allowing mail-in votes for constitutional referendums. She is totally setting this up. But no, it’s not her, it will be the citizens.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The kicker for me is changing the threshold for constitutional referendums from 20% of eligible voters to 10% of actual voters. One separatist movement claims more than that number of people registered with them. And the new lax donation rules apply to referendums too. She is so setting this up.

Edit: And increasing the period for collecting signatures from 90 to 120 days and allowing mail-in votes for constitutional referendums. She is totally setting this up. But no, it’s not her, it will be the citizens.

If only they made it that easy to get a vote to join a Union

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Equally silly as those try to post graphs show increasing influenza deaths as related to poor leadership without providing greater context?
Yes, influenza deaths have increased (in every jurisdiction) over the last couple of years but to attribute it to wholly to leadership, as Fuzz and his post are doing, it wrong. It removes the greater context of the issue and is trying to say that policies of the government are solely responsible.

The causation between leadership and increases in influenza death as promoted by Fuzz is grossly overstated for political reasons.

To deny that having a government who does not support science based health policies, to such a degree the the CMOH felt he was muzzled by them to provide information that saves lives to Albertans and left the job because of it, is, to be blunt, ####ing daft.


I don't care about stupid people elsewhere. It's irrelevant. We have a government that has abdicated it's responsibilities around public health. That's the leadership failure. The evidence is bountiful. It does not need to get any more complicated than that.

[Fuzz]

It'd also be kinda great if you'd just give up on these failed dunk attempts, because you are batting worse than a T-rex. It only makes you look silly.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It'd also be kinda great if you'd just give up on these failed dunk attempts, because you are batting worse than a T-rex. It only makes you look silly.

The secondhand embarrassment in watching it, knowing how hard he’s trying to land one, is bordering on uncomfortable.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It'd also be kinda great if you'd just give up on these failed dunk attempts, because you are batting worse than a T-rex. It only makes you look silly.

Look, I understand that you get a massive boner whenever there is something posted that might be indicative of a failure of the government that you don't support but sometimes it is not as cut and clear as you think.

For example, based on the reporting of the CBC:

• Since the 2021-2022 season all deaths that occur within 60 days of a lab-confirmed influenza case are followed up in a systematic way. This affects comparisons to previous years.
Source: Alberta Health (Robson Fletcher/CBC)

[White Out 403]

Albertans who want to join the United States or leave Canada are free to apply for a green card to the states. Alberta is going nowhere. It's a part of Canada.

[puffnstuff]

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/...16a8c69f3.html

The former Alberta cabinet minister removed from caucus says he's been pestering the government in question period and tabling a series of documents in the legislature in an effort to provide transparency.

Peter Guthrie says transparency is what's been missing from the United Conservative government as it continues to navigate a health-care contract scandal.

He told reporters Wednesday he's trying to make up for that by making public pages of meeting notes he kept from his time in cabinet.

[getbak]

Letters from two Cree First Nations chiefs to Carney and Smith...

Spoiler!

"If you or any Canadians are not happy living on Treaty lands, they are free to apply for citizenship elsewhere."

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Look, I understand that you get a massive boner whenever there is something posted that might be indicative of a failure of the government that you don't support but sometimes it is not as cut and clear as you think.

For example, based on the reporting of the CBC:

Thanks for digging that out.

[Whynotnow]

That is quite the smack down from a couple of indigenous leaders. Smith would earn a tad bit of respect from me if tomorrow she came out in full support of Canada, that a referendum will never be in the table, that separation is not possible with concerns of indigenous peoples, that we can succeed together, etc.

She won’t though,

[Paulie Walnuts]

I will personally pay for Smiths green card application and one way flight to Florida.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Look, I understand that you get a massive boner whenever there is something posted that might be indicative of a failure of the government that you don't support but sometimes it is not as cut and clear as you think.

For example, based on the reporting of the CBC:

Ya, it says that at the bottom of the graphic, it's not a huge gotcha. Here's the article it's from. You can read it yourself if you think that dismisses the concerns of the experts quoted in the article.

"It's clear the status quo right now is not having an effect. And that is evidenced now by three records in a row of influenza deaths," said Jenne.

He's concerned about Alberta's vaccination rates, which have plummeted in recent years.

"I worry because many of these may be preventable deaths," said Jenne, who is also the deputy director of the Snyder Institute for Chronic Diseases.

Jenne is worried public health messaging is waning in Alberta and he's calling for a new approach.

"Past years, there had been very public campaigns about flu shot clinics opening and, unfortunately, in the last several years, those have been much more muted," he said.

He noted the number of Albertans without a family doctor to remind them about flu vaccination has grown.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...drop-1.7518973

My point stands. ####ty leadership is leading to unnecessary deaths and increased healthcare costs. And stop thinking about what gives me a boner, it's weird.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And stop thinking about what gives me a boner, it's weird.

Don't kink shame.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Don't kink shame.

Kink's aren't something you are supposed to impose on others and make them uncomfortable. He can keep his spreadsheet of poster boner triggers to himself. That's fine. No need to make others feel weird about it.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Kink's aren't something you are supposed to impose on others and make them uncomfortable. He can keep his spreadsheet of poster boner triggers to himself. That's fine. No need to make others feel weird about it.

Kindly take your own advice and stop sending me private messages with prurient pickle pics. Thank you.