[PGT] Flames Bad

[HighLifeMan]

We still have Flames fan's underrating Weegar? Bizarre.

The guy is certainly a top 20 defensemen in the NHL.

[Flame On]

As always I think there's more than one thing possible at the same time. I think Huska is a pretty meh coach, and the team he has is also really bad.
I do find it funny over my time here how defensive people get whenever a poor coach gets some heat. Especially odd given that every coach in the recent history of the club has proven the naysayers right by being fired, and largely never appearing again in the league.
Tired of the blaming coaches? Hey its just another pattern with this team, much like never having a number 1 centre and drafting in the mushy middle.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Nice try, that's not even close to what I said.

Flames play like crap (24th XGF%) and have a hot goalie, Washington is playing well (10th XGF%) and has a hot goalie. Flames are battling for WC2 and Washington is battling for first overall. Low skill teams can still have an okay XGF%, but they may not get the goals due to lack of skill. The Flames evidently have a dearth of forward skill, so the coaching response is to generate less chances?

Washington was 18th last year and Flames were 23rd. Both are getting amazing goaltending this year and Washington improved 16 spots and Calgary has improved 8.

Ignoring the results and avoiding an argument about over or under performing, I don't think the Flames play a style that will win at this level. Being more aggressive in the defensive zone isn't a lack of skill thing, it's a planned system. You can still play zone defense and not collapse way back like the Flames do. Giving the best hockey players in the world extra time and space is not a recipe for success.

I'd really like to know what teams play this passively (5v5 defense and PK) and have been successful. On the offensive side, they aren't scoring goals and have not been all season. Should they not adjust and try something different? I haven't seen any adjustments to style of play this season.

Don't try and bring facts or logic into this, team Huska on here will just accuse you of having a personal grudge against the coach or hating him because they have nothing at all to back up their claims he is a good head coach. Every stat proves this team is being propped up by goaltending and their offence is beyond underperforming. Every hockey media person has agreed with that including some of the biggest bias people on Flames Talk. Huska has a losing record as a pro head coach, that's a fact. We are not dealing in facts here though and no amount of them is going to change the minds of people who refuse to admit they are wrong. These same posters if this team acquired Nathan MacKinnon next year and he hit 60 points would say his game fell off a cliff, it isn't Huska's fault. It's just mind boggling.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I quoted your posts, so yes that's what you said.

You've very clearly stated for a long long long time your dislike for Huska. It's no wonder your posts reflect that. Even when the team has success you make it clear that it has nothing to do with the coach. You must be able to take a step back, see what you're typing on this site and admit you have a very clear bias towards him. We all see it. It's okay, we all have biases. If the Oilers do well I will never give them credit, I will still bash them. Forever. Because I have a clear bias against them. I can admit it.

This roster is bad. Not average bad, but like 'they should be bottom 5 or 3' bad. Here they are fighting for a playoff spot with a garbage offense and mainly very bad roster and the coach has nothing to do with it? Seriously, like zero? It's all Wolf, nothing else?

I'm not going to keep going back and forth because it's just so silly. Wolf has indeed been fantastic this season, but once in a while other parts of the team help the team win games. Even the coaching. You can refuse to accept it, but it's just reality.

No, you attributed meaning to what I wrote as if I said Love is solely responsible for the caps season and Huska has no responsibility for the Flames season. Saying Love must be doing well as an assistant because his team is second over all is hardly an extreme pisition. I've made multiple points about what I don't like about how Huska has the team playing. Your response is always the team sucks, Huska is beyond reproach.

Until you actually make even a modest effort to say what you like about how Huska has the tema playing I don't see why you feel all powerful in critiquing other posts.

Honestly, what do you like about how they play under Huska?

Huska has not had a single season as a pro hockey head coach where his team has a win percentage above .500. I've started multiple times that I think he plays a super passive system (with examples) and that leads to mediocre results in oro hockey.

So maybe actually make a hockey argument in defense of the coach you think is doing a good job.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who are these offensive superstars that he is holding back ?

The Flames play an ugly brand of hockey and a lot of that is because we don’t have much talent.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't try and bring facts or logic into this, team Huska on here will just accuse you of having a personal grudge against the coach or hating him because they have nothing at all to back up their claims he is a good head coach. Every stat proves this team is being propped up by goaltending and their offence is beyond underperforming. Every hockey media person has agreed with that including some of the biggest bias people on Flames Talk. Huska has a losing record as a pro head coach, that's a fact. We are not dealing in facts here though and no amount of them is going to change the minds of people who refuse to admit they are wrong. These same posters if this team acquired Nathan MacKinnon next year and he hit 60 points would say his game fell off a cliff, it isn't Huska's fault. It's just mind boggling.

Lol.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

None of the rotation of coaches we've had has earned having a loyal defense team here because none of them have taken the team anywhere notable.

Huska is no exception.

Just because they're about 5-6 spots higher than expected shouldn't exempt him from any/all criticism or even concern. If anything, the rest of the conference outside of 6 teams being awful has a lot to do with it. 30 wins in 64gp is not very good.

Whatever he said before the third period against Vancouver, it was the wrong message. I hope he learns from that.

I also hope he shows some faith in younger players in OT because the usual suspects can't get it done.

OT isn't about playing it close to the vest. It's a race to put the puck in the net. Taking chances is the point.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't try and bring facts or logic into this, team Huska on here will just accuse you of having a personal grudge against the coach or hating him because they have nothing at all to back up their claims he is a good head coach. Every stat proves this team is being propped up by goaltending and their offence is beyond underperforming. Every hockey media person has agreed with that including some of the biggest bias people on Flames Talk. Huska has a losing record as a pro head coach, that's a fact. We are not dealing in facts here though and no amount of them is going to change the minds of people who refuse to admit they are wrong. These same posters if this team acquired Nathan MacKinnon next year and he hit 60 points would say his game fell off a cliff, it isn't Huska's fault. It's just mind boggling.

It is absolutely hilarious that you are taking the stance that THE REST OF US are refusing to consider this objectively.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't try and bring facts or logic into this, team Huska on here will just accuse you of having a personal grudge against the coach or hating him because they have nothing at all to back up their claims he is a good head coach. Every stat proves this team is being propped up by goaltending and their offence is beyond underperforming. Every hockey media person has agreed with that including some of the biggest bias people on Flames Talk. Huska has a losing record as a pro head coach, that's a fact. We are not dealing in facts here though and no amount of them is going to change the minds of people who refuse to admit they are wrong. These same posters if this team acquired Nathan MacKinnon next year and he hit 60 points would say his game fell off a cliff, it isn't Huska's fault. It's just mind boggling.

Literally 90% of your posts are crapping on Huska. I think you need to step back and relax lol.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is absolutely hilarious that you are taking the stance that THE REST OF US are refusing to consider this objectively.

People who agree the Flames have good depth and should be mid pack in GF, Infinit47, myself, Jeff O Neil, Nick Kypreos, Pat Steinberg, Aaron Vickers, Wes Gilbertson, Meaghan Mikkelson, Derek Wills.

People that agree with you. Paulie Walnuts, Rhett44, and a troll that only does one line fly bys because he can't put a coherent thought together.

I am perfectly fine with whom I share my opinion with.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Who are these offensive superstars that he is holding back ?

The Flames play an ugly brand of hockey and a lot of that is because we don’t have much talent.

Honest question. How much skill is there in pressuring the puck in the defensive end? How do you generate offense if you never gave the puck?

There is a reason Sutter did a lot with less skilled teams than Huska has been able to achieve.

Huska's system is exactly what you see in junior hockey, where you can sit back and wait for mistakes to capitalize. That doesn't work in the NHL as players don't make mistakes unless you force them to.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People who agree the Flames have good depth and should be mid pack in GF, Infinit47, myself, Jeff O Neil, Nick Kypreos, Pat Steinberg, Aaron Vickers, Wes Gilbertson, Meaghan Mikkelson, Derek Wills.

People that agree with you. Paulie Walnuts, Rhett44, and a troll that only does one line fly bys because he can't put a coherent thought together.

I am perfectly fine with whom I share my opinion with.

Your posts are unhinged lol.

They have some decent forward depth sure. A few 2nd liners, a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners. On defense we have almost zero depth.

But the problem is we have no 1st line talent. We don't have a Mackinnon, we don't have a Makar, we don't have ANY 1st line forwards. So how exactly do you think we should be middle of the pack with no 1st liners on the roster?

I'm just intrigued by this argument that we collected a bunch or 3rd liners and that means we should be good at scoring. They also try harder for longer periods than most teams I watch. That's coaching.

[activeStick]

And besides, for the record, the FAN960 crew mentioned have all said that Huska has done a really great job with the Flames this season, which is what many of us are saying.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People who agree the Flames have good depth and should be mid pack in GF, Infinit47, myself, Jeff O Neil, Nick Kypreos, Pat Steinberg, Aaron Vickers, Wes Gilbertson, Meaghan Mikkelson, Derek Wills.

People that agree with you. Paulie Walnuts, Rhett44, and a troll that only does one line fly bys because he can't put a coherent thought together.

I am perfectly fine with whom I share my opinion with.

LOL

Sometimes less is more. Making up garbage like this does not help you.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL

Sometimes less is more. Making up garbage like this does not help you.

I didn't make up anything, it's all there on the podcast. It's been said on TSN and the Real Kyper and Bourne. I think the post you just made doesn't help you, my post was valid.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I didn't make up anything, it's all there on the podcast. It's been said on TSN and the Real Kyper and Bourne. I think the post you just made doesn't help you, my post was valid.

Didn’t you say Kypreos doesn’t know anything?

Can you tell us which players should be performing better ? Huberdeau is on pace for his best season here. Kadri 2nd best. Pretty much everyone outside of a few guys are right at career averages or a bit better.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Didn’t you say Kypreos doesn’t know anything?

Can you tell us which players should be performing better ? Huberdeau is on pace for his best season here. Kadri 2nd best. Pretty much everyone outside of a few guys are right at career averages or a bit better.

What? Lol. Almost nobody on the roster is near their career averages. Do you ever research this stuff before opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it?

[dissentowner]

I feel like this poll question is not specific enough. The team is overachieving because of goaltending. The team is underachieving in all other areas.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What? Lol. Almost nobody on the roster is near their career averages. Do you ever research this stuff before opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it?

You have some anger issues.

[devo22]

Easily poll to answer IMO. Before the season, I was sure this team was much closer to a bottom 5 finish than a playoff spot. Now it's possible that I've underestimated that group, but I do think they have massively overachieved this season and it has been a fun ride as a result. You can obviously credit Wolf for a lot of the success, but I don't think it's fair to the group to put it all on him. This group has been fighting and clawing all season and you have to give Huska a ton of credit for that.