It’d be nice if our provincial government would prioritize seizing the opportunity to advance our interests instead of pandering to their base by vilifying the feds and eastern provinces. It’s been extraordinarily frustrating to watch.
Buzz words for kill the economy and pander to the loonies.
80% of Canadians agree with building pipelines to increase our exports. Somehow our governments will manage to literally do the opposite.
Or, buzz words for the world is going into the ####ter and we need to adapt or die. This means reducing our carbon footprint. So we can either plug our ears and pretend everything is business as normal and get left behind when the world finally does transition - or we can lead that transition and ensure our economy is leading the curve instead of trailing it.
Even for people think we don't matter.. maybe we should at least start punching our weight. Last in the G7 for emissions per capita, and worst than that, last for GDP per emissions. So not only do we produce a metric ####load of carbon based on our population, but we are also terrible at turning those emissions into productivity. We can and need to do better instead of being petulent children with our fingers up our ass.
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Carney’s international business experience gives him a considerable edge here. What’s the most difficult thing PP has navigated, Ottawa traffic?
There’s been exchanges between the two where the difference is very stark, PP relies entirely on talking over people, leading questions, and misrepresenting their opinion in an attempt to fluster them. Carney, even at the receiving end of this abuse, remains cool and composed and still relies on reason even in the face of hostility.
PP’s approach isn’t going to work with Trump, nor do I think he even has the appetite to try it. The problem is that he’s never shown he has anything else in his toolkit.
The debates will be interesting. PP will undoubtedly bring out the attack dog and rely heavily on lying and misrepresentation. But Carney’s already been through that, he knows his game and how to play against it, and I think Canadians are going to reward maturity and confidence over aggressive scrambling. PP is used to putting people on the hot seat, but he crumbles when he’s on it.
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Or, buzz words for the world is going into the ####ter and we need to adapt or die. This means reducing our carbon footprint. So we can either plug our ears and pretend everything is business as normal and get left behind when the world finally does transition - or we can lead that transition and ensure our economy is leading the curve instead of trailing it.
Even for people think we don't matter.. maybe we should at least start punching our weight. Last in the G7 for emissions per capita, and worst than that, last for GDP per emissions. So not only do we produce a metric ####load of carbon based on our population, but we are also terrible at turning those emissions into productivity. We can and need to do better instead of being petulent children with our fingers up our ass.
There’s also a smart business play here, which Carney has recognized as a huge opportunity for driving value through net zero. That’s why his platform leans towards rewarding Canadian businesses over international ones, ensuring we’re aligned with international standards, and giving us an advantage over low performing jurisdictions.
Conservatives have been touting this for years. How Canada has the most ethical resources in the world (so they say), but Carney actually wants to take action to capitalize on our world position instead of just talking about it, doing nothing, and wondering why other nations aren’t knocking on our door.
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He is very much focused on climate change and transitioning the economy to a sustainable low caron one. You can't have a low carbon economy with the oil sands. Here's a quote from 2021.
"huge economic opportunity" should be the main point in this post.
Mark Carney, like many, are looking at the future. Oil and Gas isn't leaving out supply chain any time soon, but we are being steam rolled by China on future energy tech.
The US is too, don't get me wrong, and I thought the Green New Deal was a great step in building demand for strong renewable industries.
Alberta has a crap ton of capital, engineers, project management, and construction skills that would go a long way in building a new energy future. And some companies have largely taken that challenge on (windmill views notwithstanding).
I don't think someone like Carney saying "Hey, there is a transition coming, and we need to get ahead of it" is wrong or bad.
Carney's stance on pipelines in a nutshell, which is pretty well known and has already been used against him by Poilievre (can't say I care for the Just like Justin thing he's been going for though). Honestly shocked that Fuzz couldn't find it while reaching for an outdated 2012 quote as it's been posted here before.
Carney's stance on pipelines in a nutshell, which is pretty well known and has already been used against him. Honestly shocked that Fuzz couldn't find it while reaching for an outdated 2012 quote as it's been posted here before.
LOL, thanks tips. I have seen that embarrassment for Pierre several times. It's too bad Pierre wouldn't actually let Carney speak and tell Canadians how he actually felt. Instead all we got out of the was the irrational braying of a syphilitic attack dog.
Boy he really is the king of the slogans. Axe the Tax, Common Sense Conservatives, Carbon Tax Carney, Just Like Justin. Is that all his base can handle? 3 words at a time? But it must work.
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So a few weeks in, we have BC (moving ahead with $20b in projects, including LNG projects) & Manitoba (port of Churchill development) makes moves to secure Canada's future.
Still waiting for notable provinces like Quebec & Ontario to do something....
The Bloc leader says yesterday that no pipelines will be going through Quebec. The Quebec is not onboard with this stuff.
Boy he really is the king of the slogans. Axe the Tax, Common Sense Conservatives, Carbon Tax Carney, Just Like Justin. Is that all his base can handle? 3 words at a time? But it must work.
This may actually be an improvement. Most of his base could only manage two word slogans (e.g. "F Trudeau") until now.
Boy he really is the king of the slogans. Axe the Tax, Common Sense Conservatives, Carbon Tax Carney, Just Like Justin. Is that all his base can handle? 3 words at a time? But it must work.
He's trying to do a Trump but that only works in a 3rd world country. There is no way that kyit works here in Canada except for a select few in the forum here! lollol
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It’d be nice if our provincial government would prioritize seizing the opportunity to advance our interests instead of pandering to their base by vilifying the feds and eastern provinces. It’s been extraordinarily frustrating to watch.
Which interests exactly? When the Premier of Alberta tried to prioritize our interests she was called a traitor.
I dislike any politician that just has soundbites about the competition, and doesn't have any substance/policy to their message. I recall seeing some debate for one of the Georgia senate races back in 2020. The retrumplican candidate started every sentence with "radical left Reverand Warnock..." I don't think she had any actual policy, just that. I don't feel most reverands are radically left anything. She lost.
And now I see PP in Vancouver where every sentence is "The Carney Trudeau Liberals..." To me that' equally laughable. I had no idea Carney was secretly co-PM with Justin. I think continually saying that will turn people off. Run on substance, not useless soundbites.
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The Bloc leader says yesterday that no pipelines will be going through Quebec. The Quebec is not onboard with this stuff.
If a leader with a backbone makes it about national security, Quebec's preferences really won't matter. I think that with the US actions, we are at that point.
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I dislike any politician that just has soundbites about the competition, and doesn't have any substance/policy to their message. I recall seeing some debate for one of the Georgia senate races back in 2020. The retrumplican candidate started every sentence with "radical left Reverand Warnock..." I don't think she had any actual policy, just that. I don't feel most reverands are radically left anything. She lost.
And now I see PP in Vancouver where every sentence is "The Carney Trudeau Liberals..." To me that' equally laughable. I had no idea Carney was secretly co-PM with Justin. I think continually saying that will turn people off. Run on substance, not useless soundbites.
PP has no substance.
I can't believe the Cons have ran 3 rightwing deplorables against Blackface and this 3rd one is a doozy. If they only ran one reasonable non-moronic candidate they would have won.
I'm ashamed Pierre Pollyever is a U of C alumni. and Danielle Smith! and Rob Anders!
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He will not be left enough for the lefties, or right enough for the righties - but doesn't that put him in the radical centre?
Pretty much. Radical centrist doesn't mean nothing is used from the left or the right. He still clearly believes in carbon taxes and that fossil fuels should be eliminated eventually while seeing greener alternatives as the better option in the long term economically. Outside of those issues, he's definitely center and even right on issues, and the same time uses words like far left just as much as he does far right.
Carney quote: "We can't achieve our potential with the ideas of the far left. They too often see government as the solution to every problem with a reflex to spend and subsidize. We can't redistribute what they don't have".
My hot take: I think Carney will kill off pharmacare (he has only spoken about continuing dental care), and personally sees the NDP as the far left not worth listening to on social programs, while at the same time accelerate the elimination of fossil fuels via stronger embedded carbon taxes after eliminating the consumer portion. I'm all for the Liberals moving right. If it was a different situation with the cabinet support not all being Trudeau ideological fanatics trying to save themselves who got us in this mess in the first place, he would be electable for me right now. Liberals however need a purge if they truly want to represent the radical center again. Needing support from far left ideologists like Guilbeault where Carney had to sell him on his carbon tax plan are giant anchors right now and weakens Carney's leadership.
Whether Conservatives win, or Liberals pull off a hail Mary and stick to Carney's words (still highly unlikely but anything is possible in politics with the Trump factor shifting priorities), Canada is moving further right this election no matter the outcome. It comes down to if we go radical center, or right.
And he's 100% right. I wish it was $200/T and that they'd cut income tax. I can avoid one and not the other...this isnt rocket science.
This is a interesting premise. How do you effectively stop trickle down cost increases on the consumer side though? In the end I dont see a manageable way around that. The idea being there is going to be a consumer side but you will make it back on income tax? Canada is already in a massive dept hole. How do we fund that? raise GST?
Reducing Carbon load is going to come down to advancement in technology or energy production (nuclear). Sure you can use a system that charges for carbon are kicked back to funding green projects and advancements like the SDTC but... That money was by and large used as one giant corruption pit as whats very clearly shown. Maybe that was just a really bad board?
Until Canada bans the imports of Oil and gas that's being Shipped across the world from a place with very weak environmental or social standards I just cant take any of this carbon tax nonsense.
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