American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Mr.Coffee]

We need to move away from the US as our sole partner. They simply are not reliable. If you look at their history of the deals and partnerships they make- they are the most flimsy least reliable "partner" on Earth. They renege on deals 24/7. They back stab. They never honour their commitments. They're basically traitorous.

So I don't know why we would continue to be a partner when the USA has violated Canadian / US trade relations twice in the last ten years. We make a deal with Trump- what does that mean anyway?

Say we solve this tariff issue. You can't trust he won't break it again. You can't trust the USA. You can't. So start to diversify and get other friends.

You know who insinuated all the above? Mark Carney, yesterday, in an interview with the BBC. He's exactly right. If the States want to violate this agreement, fine, time to move on. They can go be alone in an increasingly globalized world.

The Americans NEVER honour their word. They NEVER stick to their deals.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

We need to move away from the US as our sole partner. They simply are not reliable. If you look at their history of the deals and partnerships they make- they are the most flimsy least reliable "partner" on Earth. They renege on deals 24/7. They back stab. They never honour their commitments. They're basically traitorous.

So I don't know why we would continue to be a partner when the USA has violated Canadian / US trade relations twice in the last ten years. We make a deal with Trump- what does that mean anyway?

Say we solve this tariff issue. You can't trust he won't break it again. You can't trust the USA. You can't. So start to diversify and get other friends.

You know who insinuated all the above? Mark Carney, yesterday, in an interview with the BBC. He's exactly right. If the States want to violate this agreement, fine, time to move on. They can go be alone in an increasingly globalized world.

The Americans NEVER honour their word. They NEVER stick to their deals.

I mean, it's his own deal Trump is reneging on - not someone else's. He hailed USMCA as a huge win for America.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

We need to move away from the US as our sole partner. They simply are not reliable. If you look at their history of the deals and partnerships they make- they are the most flimsy least reliable "partner" on Earth. They renege on deals 24/7. They back stab. They never honour their commitments. They're basically traitorous.

So I don't know why we would continue to be a partner when the USA has violated Canadian / US trade relations twice in the last ten years. We make a deal with Trump- what does that mean anyway?

Say we solve this tariff issue. You can't trust he won't break it again. You can't trust the USA. You can't. So start to diversify and get other friends.

You know who insinuated all the above? Mark Carney, yesterday, in an interview with the BBC. He's exactly right. If the States want to violate this agreement, fine, time to move on. They can go be alone in an increasingly globalized world.

The Americans NEVER honour their word. They NEVER stick to their deals.

Canada does it because it is easy and beneficial. We can easily dump our resources on trucks and trains and get it to American plants in days. It will take years to establish the trade routes to other markets.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Canada does it because it is easy and beneficial. We can easily dump our resources on trucks and trains and get it to American plants in days. It will take years to establish the trade routes to other markets.

Understood. What are our other options?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Understood. What are our other options?

Expensive, overly cumbersome and difficult.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Expensive, overly cumbersome and difficult.

What are the (expensive, overly cumbersome and difficult) options?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Expensive, overly cumbersome and difficult.

Okay, and? As opposed to nothing?

[Drak]

Maybe it’s still more cost effective to have Americans pay more for our essential products than negotiating other trade routes. I dunno. But we still should have had something in place yesterday.

[dissentowner]

We need to get a better partnership with China.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Understood. What are our other options?

China is the hammer but America would.see that as an act of war.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We need to get a better partnership with China.

And India and Japan and Britain and France and Malaysia and Vietnam and Brazil and and and and…

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by blender

China is the hammer but America would.see that as an act of war.

I think they just declared (economic) war.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah I figured the ROW was packed but I was more meaning expand the existing. There’ll be areas it wouldn’t be able to be expanded for sure though I know.

Yes the harbour / dock system would be the limiting factor but last time I checked the map it’s a pretty gigantic coastline.

There’s no other country / group of people on Earth who scramble all over themselves to talk about why we can’t build things than Canadians.

Canada has become a country of people saying why things can’t work rather than why they can. Spending time on this website is a good example of that.

And again I go back to- if Canadians aren’t willing to do anything different, then we’re gonna get what’s coming. Most entitled people on Earth. We think we can continue to have the highest standard of living in the world and in exchange offer it no value. You either have to make stuff or sell resources. You don’t get to do nothing.

I’m not trying to talk anyone out of building things, but I am telling you that even expansion of that ROW is nigh impossible and you can’t build further west than Burnaby to change the port situation. I’m not saying it to be defeatist, I just know the reality there. I mean I guess you can if you’d like to but it would mean ripping up neighborhoods.

What is possible is Kitimat or Prince Rupert. So if people want to get serious about that conversation there’s no technical or logistical reason why not. There’s a whole host of economics at play but no reason technically.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by blender

China is the hammer but America would.see that as an act of war.

So? Who gives a crap what they see.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

We dont negotiate with orange terrorists.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Wonder how long until the whispers of no mid term elections happen. Trump, Musk and company aren't going to let their Oligarchy be interrupted by pesky elections.

Some conservative think tanks have hinted about a special Constitutional Congress, where delegates could remove voting rights.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We need to get a better partnership with China.

Have you met China? I don't think this is the easy win you think it is. Citation: past events.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I’m not trying to talk anyone out of building things, but I am telling you that even expansion of that ROW is nigh impossible and you can’t build further west than Burnaby to change the port situation. I’m not saying it to be defeatist, I just know the reality there. I mean I guess you can if you’d like to but it would mean ripping up neighborhoods.

What is possible is Kitimat or Prince Rupert. So if people want to get serious about that conversation there’s no technical or logistical reason why not. There’s a whole host of economics at play but no reason technically.

Nm you answered it!

[Sainters7]

This is just crazy. Trump is so on a path to get clipped this term.

Tinfoil hat time; I almost wonder if that's what Elon and some higher-ups want (with Trump being too arrogant to realize it). He gets clipped, Elon/Vance take over, and they have some BS excuse to do a purge and grab even more power/wealth. Orange Julius isn't gonna make it to 2028 at this rate.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Elon Musk now has full access to the US Treasury's payment system, which processes more than $5 trillion dollars in payments anually

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/u...0.2zchivXXh5gp

I'm sure nothing bad will come from this