2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not what I said but you keep moving goalposts and cheer on with Dino with trading top picks for Kinin.

Actually, I quoted what you said, so you don't get to pull ‘not what I said’.

Now I'm going to do it right. Neither Dino nor I ever said anything about trading top picks for Kunin, let alone ‘Kinin’.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Actually, I quoted what you said, so you don't get to pull ‘not what I said’.

Now I'm going to do it right. Neither Dino nor I ever said anything about trading top picks for Kunin, let alone ‘Kinin’.

Ok Jay.

[dammage79]

So after tonight's little swap meet. Flames still have a couple of holes to upgrade.

1. Vladar
2. A couple of left shot d men (farm or trade, either/or)

And it looks like the quest for an RHS center is over until the offseason when they have some things to think about. Unless a deal springs up like this one I don't think there is going to be much urgency for the rest of the season.

[SuperMatt18]

In the same type of trade idea as taking on some term and $$ remaining, like they did with Farabee, I wonder if the Flames could get Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo.

It's expected that Lindy Ruff is going to have more of a say in Buffalo and Samuelsson doesn't seem to be his favourite. Was a healthy scratch earlier this season, and he's playing 2 minutes less per game than last season (18:30 vs 20:30) and 4 minutes less per game than the season prior to last (22:30)

He's only 24 (turns 25 in March)
LH
6'4" 227 lbs
6 x $4.3M left on his deal (including this season)

It would be a bit like adding another Kevin Bahl to the roster and a good responsible LH dman to pair with all the RH dmen in the org.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the same type of trade idea as taking on some term and $$ remaining, like they did with Farabee, I wonder if the Flames could get Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo.

It's expected that Lindy Ruff is going to have more of a say in Buffalo and Samuelsson doesn't seem to be his favourite. Was a healthy scratch earlier this season, and he's playing 2 minutes less per game than last season (18:30 vs 20:30) and 4 minutes less per game than the season prior to last (22:30)

He's only 24 (turns 25 in March)
LH
6'4" 227 lbs
6 x $4.3M left on his deal (including this season)

It would be a bit like adding another Kevin Bahl to the roster and a good responsible LH dman to pair with all the RH dmen in the org.

Samuelsson would be a good acquisition, but his injury history is fairly worrying.

Jokiharju also seems to have fallen out of favour in Buffalo and would be a decent, cheap to obtain option that can log second pairing/second unit minutes in all situations.

[FusionX]

We never seemed to have the assets for a trade with Buffalo and I'm not so sure we do still but would something like...

Frost, Hanley, Brz, NJ 1st and 4th for Cozens, Byram?

Obvious for us, for the Sabres, cost controlled young center in return for one not living up to current contract. Need to replace L side D with serviceable Hanley. Picks and Brz to make up the value difference.

[Claes]

Originally Posted by FusionX

We never seemed to have the assets for a trade with Buffalo and I'm not so sure we do still but would something like...

Frost, Hanley, Brz, NJ 1st and 4th for Cozens, Byram?

Obvious for us, for the Sabres, cost controlled young center in return for one not living up to current contract. Need to replace L side D with serviceable Hanley. Picks and Brz to make up the value difference.

Why would they trade Frost after just trading for him? Doesn't make sense to me.

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[Toonage]

This could actually be a great fit (CBJ talked to Canucks re: Pettersson)

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/surging-colum...sson-1.2244607

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Claes

Why would they trade Frost after just trading for him? Doesn't make sense to me.

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It is the paper clip game. See how far you can take it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If they aren’t rebuilding they should just move the franchise because they have no clue what they are doing.

Do the Aarongravey and Vegas this thing and come back as an expansion team.

The fact that you want to trade wolf to get a top 5 pick is the craziest thing that I have ever read on this forum. I am glad they are making moves to get younger and get better. No need to trade Wolf.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Claes

Why would they trade Frost after just trading for him? Doesn't make sense to me.

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I am not saying they will or could, but I think this is a bit of a fallacy. It may be that they are working out another trade and we are just an intermediary location for one of these players. I do think it's interesting that we've been linked to buffalo for a while but the hangup has been no center to trade. Add in Conroy's stated preference for a RHC to a LHC... There might be something there.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well this isnt true, he already has 11 goals this season and had 11 last year

Luke Kunin has some of the worst 5v5 possession stats in the league.

He isn't even a replacement level player.

Rooney sucks, yes, but he is a better defensive player than Kunin (barely).

Kunin gets his head caved in every shift and isn't buried in defensive zone starts the way Rooney is. Even just as a PK/4th liner guy Rooney is better.

And Rooney sucks badly in that role. So that tells you how bad Kunin is.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the same type of trade idea as taking on some term and $$ remaining, like they did with Farabee, I wonder if the Flames could get Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo.

It's expected that Lindy Ruff is going to have more of a say in Buffalo and Samuelsson doesn't seem to be his favourite. Was a healthy scratch earlier this season, and he's playing 2 minutes less per game than last season (18:30 vs 20:30) and 4 minutes less per game than the season prior to last (22:30)

He's only 24 (turns 25 in March)
LH
6'4" 227 lbs
6 x $4.3M left on his deal (including this season)

It would be a bit like adding another Kevin Bahl to the roster and a good responsible LH dman to pair with all the RH dmen in the org.

Samuelsson isn't better than any of the guys we have playing in the top 6 right now. Hanley, Pachal and Bean and Miramanov are all significantly better players with similar or harder zone starts at 5v5.

That contract is bad.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Claes

Why would they trade Frost after just trading for him? Doesn't make sense to me.

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I don't think they would, but if you think about the potential reasons:

1. RHS vs LHS
2. Age (23 vs 25)
3. Contract - Cozens is signed at 7m long-term and if Buffalo is souring on that, you give them a slightly older, but cost-controlled center in exchange. So similar to Farabee, you weaponize cap space and he perhaps costs less as we wouldn't need them to retain or take on a crap contract
4. Byram is the other piece that seems glaring as after Bahl's gone down, the L side is fairly weak. We do have some guys up and coming but likely no one that they feel comfortable to insert down the stretch. Adding to it, he's only 23 as well. One caveat I'd have is one poster a while back saying he's a terrible human being apparently, and that may not jive with the room (if true)

So, you're right, typically players aren't moved just after they get traded, but it sounds like it all came together fairly quickly. Maybe there's been no time to pitch something new to Buffalo for Cozens.

Regardless, I would say there's still plenty of reasons that would make sense to at least entertain the idea of moving Frost, so long as Cozens is part of the return.

[Toonage]

Going by Conroy's presser last night, this is what they were after. He won't be flipping either immediately.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Samuelsson isn't better than any of the guys we have playing in the top 6 right now. Hanley, Pachal and Bean and Miramanov are all significantly better players with similar or harder zone starts at 5v5.

That contract is bad.

Disagree

I think in a 2nd pairing role where he isn't asked to eat all the toughest minutes he can bounce back. Plus with the cap projections for the next three years that contract is nothing, $4.3M is minimal in a $113M cap world.

Dmen who are asked to play the toughest minutes on bad teams are always undervalued, and that's been his role for Buffalo. Guys are also rarely asked to play that type of role when they are under 25, but Samuelsson has being doing that.

He provides nothing offensively but with the offensive RH dmen this team has they need a stable LH guy that helps them in their own zone.

He tends to stay slightly above water defensively even though he's playing against top lines. https://x.com/jfreshhockey/status/17...059447643?s=46

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Disagree

I think in a 2nd pairing role where he isn't asked to eat all the toughest minutes he can bounce back. Plus with the cap projections for the next three years that contract is nothing, $4.3M is minimal in a $113M cap world.

Dmen who are asked to play the toughest minutes on bad teams are always undervalued, and that's been his role for Buffalo. Guys are also rarely asked to play that type of role when they are under 25, but Samuelsson has being doing that.

He provides nothing offensively but with the offensive RH dmen this team has they need a stable LH guy that helps them in their own zone.

He tends to stay slightly above water defensively even though he's playing against top lines. https://x.com/jfreshhockey/status/17...059447643?s=46

I don't see it. Offensively or not, I don't see him doing much more than the guys we have on our team, or the effective kids we have on the farm team. "Slightly above water defensively" isn't much use when you provide nothing on the other end of the ice.

He is a JAG and not a great one, in my opinion.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Don’t care what some Oiler wanna be insider says.

This is a rebuild. Conroy isn’t wasting any picks on 4th liners.

Way to take a shot tough guy. I never claimed to be an insider. I’ve lived in San Jose for 15 years now and know 1 member within the Sharks organization. Passed along the information I heard. I didn’t say Calgary was gunning for Kunin or would trade a high pick for him. I said four teams with different levels of interest and listed them have at least spoken to San Jose about him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Claes

Why would they trade Frost after just trading for him? Doesn't make sense to me.

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To get a trade Buffalo would never do?

[Royle9]

There's absolutely 0 intention to flip either of these guys this year.
They will be Flames and pushing for the playoffs.