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[heep223]

Originally Posted by 868904

Can they please stop putting Backlund on the PP? He makes terrible decisions and just doesn’t have the vision to make plays on the PP. save him for the hard minutes and PK.

I’d much rather have Kuzy, Barrie, Pelletier, Kerins out there instead.

You’d “much rather have?”. Those other options are…thin.

The Flames are a low skill team so guys like Backlund get PP time.

[EN FUEGO]

I thought the Flames were the better team honestly. Barrie not hitting that pipe and Coleman's hand muscles relaxing a bit more, maybe a different outcome. Proud of how hard they played, on to the next one.

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Kuzmenko, Barrie, and Pelletier don't play centre. Kerins could replace Backlund on the power play, but I'm not sure about doing that with a kid who's only played a handful of NHL games.

If you want to see a better power play, you'll probably have to wait until Zary is back in the lineup.

Have Backlund take the faceoff and get someone else out there. It's really the only time a C is needed on a PP.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

I thought the Flames were the better team honestly. Barrie not hitting that pipe and Coleman's hand muscles relaxing a bit more, maybe a different outcome. Proud of how hard they played, on to the next one.

Bottom line is the Flames have reached a point where they need some help from management. They need someone who can put the puck in the net. They are able to hang with the best teams and occasionally beat them. But they still have scoring issues. Lots of hockey left but I think they have proven that they are not going away.

They aren’t finishing in the bottom 5 and they have a legit shot at the playoffs. Why would you not help them if you were Conroy.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Bottom line is the Flames have reached a point where they need some help from management. They need someone who can put the puck in the net. They are able to hang with the best teams and occasionally beat them. But they still have scoring issues. Lots of hockey left but I think they have proven that they are not going away.

They aren’t finishing in the bottom 5 and they have a legit shot at the playoffs. Why would you not help them if you were Conroy.

100% agree with this. We're at #### or get off the pot time for this team. They're clinging to a playoff spot. I wonder if the reward from Conroy to this group is just keeping them together, but if he really wants them to get in, now is the time.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

Have Backlund take the faceoff and get someone else out there. It's really the only time a C is needed on a PP.

Haha what's the point in that? There's probably a winger that could take that draw who is ~2% lower on his strong side at the draws.

Backlund is out there because there really isn't anyone else that can do it better than him with Zary out. This team needs another C, it's no secret but the other wingers that could go out aren't exactly world beaters.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Ya, but I view Coleman as a huge reason why. He hounds the puck on the forecheck and has a great stick, wins battles, and gets the puck back quickly. When he’s not throwing pucks around, he’s a beast.

Agreed.

Backlund has been so lucky the past 14 years.

Every season he finds someone to carry him to top of the league play driving metrics.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

100% agree with this. We're at #### or get off the pot time for this team. They're clinging to a playoff spot. I wonder if the reward from Conroy to this group is just keeping them together, but if he really wants them to get in, now is the time.

OK but these arguments seem to be being held on the extremes.
You can say it's time to do something, but should Conroy make a deal that harms the future to help the team this season? Probably not.

Similarly should he not look at deals that help this team short-term where the cost is minimal? No. He should consider those too.

Ideally, and probably where he's focused is finding a deal that helps the team now and going forward. And the fact that a deal hasn't been made doesn't mean he isn't trying to improve the team, it just means he hasn't found a deal that offers that balance.

We shouldn't take the absent of a deal to meant that the team isn't "####ting or getting off the pot".

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK but these arguments seem to be being held on the extremes.
You can say it's time to do something, but should Conroy make a deal that harms the future to help the team this season? Probably not.

Similarly should he not look at deals that help this team short-term where the cost is minimal? No. He should consider those too.

Ideally, and probably where he's focused is finding a deal that helps the team now and going forward. And the fact that a deal hasn't been made doesn't mean he isn't trying to improve the team, it just means he hasn't found a deal that offers that balance.

We shouldn't take the absent of a deal to meant that the team isn't "####ting or getting off the pot".

Nope, like I mentioned maybe just keeping this team together is the reward, but if he (Conroy) genuinely feels that this team has a shot at the playoffs, I feel we're at the breaking point where if they don't get help with goal scoring, they run the risk of dropping.

But its also entirely possible there just isn't a deal to be made now. Or to your point, you don't want to make a deal that hurts the team moving forward.

So to me, shotting or getting off the pot is just my way of suggesting they do what they can, if they can. That now is the time.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Locke

The crowd absolutely LOVED that by the way....the place went nuts!

Hilarious.

McDiver and his theatre gang should be mocked like that nightly.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Nope, like I mentioned maybe just keeping this team together is the reward, but if he (Conroy) genuinely feels that this team has a shot at the playoffs, I feel we're at the breaking point where if they don't get help with goal scoring, they run the risk of dropping.

But its also entirely possible there just isn't a deal to be made now. Or to your point, you don't want to make a deal that hurts the team moving forward.

So to me, shotting or getting off the pot is just my way of suggesting they do what they can, if they can. That now is the time.

Over simplifying but I think there are a few different types of deals that they should try to make:

- The tweak: A deal to improve the 4th line. I think 4th lines often get too much attention, but it's just a constant problem area. A 4th line centre would help a ton.

- The near-term help: A deal to bring in some scoring help. Ideally not a rental but that maybe what is out there. I'm not a fan of this type of deal because I think you still have to give up something of long-term value.

- The core add: This is what I think Conroy is trying to do. A guy that helps now, and can be part of the emerging core going forward.

I'm more OK with 1 and 3. I'm not sure they should do #2.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Agreed.

Backlund has been so lucky the past 14 years.

Every season he finds someone to carry him to top of the league play driving metrics.

Didn’t say his whole career. I realize he was a very good and useful player, I’ve always had admiration for him as a player, on and off the ice.

Yes, it must be Backlund driving that line at this point in his career, despite having two wingers beside him that play with non stop motors. I can see he is slowing. When Zary is back, I don’t view him as a top 3C on this team anymore.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Over simplifying but I think there are a few different types of deals that they should try to make:

- The tweak: A deal to improve the 4th line. I think 4th lines often get too much attention, but it's just a constant problem area. A 4th line centre woudl help a ton.

- The near-term help: A deal to bring in some scoring help. Ideally not a rental but that maybe what is out there. I'm not a fan of this type of deal because I think you still have to give up something of long-term value.

- The core add: This is what I think Conroy is trying to do. A guy that helps now, and can be part of the emerging core going forward.

I'm more OK with 1 and 3. I'm not sure they should do #2.

Agreed with #1, I'd be fine with improving the 4th line, as Huska likes to roll 4 lines it would benefit the team to make sure they have not just an energy line or grind line out there. This might bring up a conversation about Lomberg's usage which is a prickly subject I'm sure as people love him (understandably).

#3, for sure and yes he's probably trying but that may be the toughest piece for any team to acquire without gutting their own system.

#2 maybe the need for this team at this time though. They aren't ready to push the chips in and sell the farm or give up a bunch of pics, and if they want that under 25 RHC thats what it will likely cost. But they need help now.

Maybe a blend of #1 & #2 is whats needed. Spread the talent out more.

[Huntingwhale]

First game I've watched in a while. Thought the Flames did well to hang with the best team in the league. Wolf made some nice saves. Glad OV didn't score on us.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Didn’t say his whole career. I realize he was a very good and useful player, I’ve always had admiration for him as a player, on and off the ice.

Yes, it must be Backlund driving that line at this point in his career, despite having two wingers beside him that play with non stop motors. I can see he is slowing. When Zary is back, I don’t view him as a top 3C on this team anymore.

Backlund is in the right place at all times.

Always on the right side of the puck.

Always anticipating a pinch or where a breakdown could occur.

I think Coleman is another great play driving winger, so was Frolik to some degree.

But Backlund has upped the play of about a dozen wingers over the last ten years, and I doubt very much it's a coincidence that Coronato found his 200 foot game instantly when he found his way to that line.

You can't be along for the ride. The three of them work together and are one of the best play driving lines in the league. I wouldn't mess with that.

[butterfly]

Just do nothing. The existing team is clearly good enough to get where they are on their own.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Backlund is in the right place at all times.

Always on the right side of the puck.

Always anticipating a pinch or where a breakdown could occur.

I think Coleman is another great play driving winger, so was Frolik to some degree.

But Backlund has upped the play of about a dozen wingers over the last ten years, and I doubt very much it's a coincidence that Coronato found his 200 foot game instantly when he found his way to that line.

Backlund is a very smart hockey player, yes. So you don’t see his decline? I think in order to peak his effectiveness going forward, he needs a reduced role. Coleman is the straw on that line at this point imo. 100% Coronato has grown his game playing next to Backlund and Coleman. That doesn’t mean time isn’t catching up with him.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by activeStick

What a beauty Andersson is. Freaking love the guy. Get him extended, Conny!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1884462190024863958

Does anyone have the clip of when Wilson actually did this? I can't find it on the interwebs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Didn’t say his whole career. I realize he was a very good and useful player, I’ve always had admiration for him as a player, on and off the ice.

Yes, it must be Backlund driving that line at this point in his career, despite having two wingers beside him that play with non stop motors. I can see he is slowing. When Zary is back, I don’t view him as a top 3C on this team anymore.

Once Zary is back he is the 3C who replaces him? Rooney?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by activeStick

What a beauty Andersson is. Freaking love the guy. Get him extended, Conny!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1884462190024863958

So what was Andersson's penalty for?

Assuming Wilson was Crosscheck?