American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[dino7c]

Trump and Melania meme coins that launched on the weekend are down 50% from yesterdays highs lol

totally not a grift though

[Bunk]

The US used to have standards. There's no way in the past a president could abuse their power in such a way. They've just given up any pretense of guardrails on the presidency - which was pretty explicitly designed by the founders. Going to be totally unrecognizable government system when Trump's done with it. They had a good run, I guess.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yeah but are they rightwing racists pieces of kyit too?

Why even reply to it?

[activeStick]

So, apparently Trump also reversed a bunch of Biden's cost caps on Medicare and Medicaid which will push drug prices up by as much as 4200%

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Nope but neither is Elon Musk!

But whatever justifies your hate!

Do you not know anything about Elon Musk's background and upbringing? My one and only reply to any and all of your donkey posts. As another poster said, you are truly insufferable.

[activeStick]

Agree wirh Yang here. Bernie would have beat Trump and it'd be a much better alternate timeline to the one we're in now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1881698937209536679

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

Do you not know anything about Elon Musk's background and upbringing? My one and only reply to any and all of your donkey posts. As another poster said, you are truly insufferable.

Just put him on ignore

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So, apparently Trump also reversed a bunch of Biden's cost caps on Medicare and Medicaid which will push drug prices up by as much as 4200%

The thing I don't understand is that raising the cost of pharmaceutical drugs benefits almost no one. It's crippling to all but the rich, but even the rich should be fine with cheaper anything. Only the big companies and their top employees benefit, who make up an insignificant portion of the population.

I understand that companies need to be profitable and that some drugs are expensive to produce. Heck, I'll even buy that some people should get wealthy from it, but it's also obvious that drugs can be sold cheap enough and still allow those things to happen.

Why are drug companies in the U.S. so powerful?

[troutman]

I don’t think so. Bernie would have been painted as the second coming of Karl Marx.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Agree wirh Yang here. Bernie would have beat Trump and it'd be a much better alternate timeline to the one we're in now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1881698937209536679

America sold itself to the oligarchs. There is no chance now for them.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BowRiverBruinsRule

Do you not know anything about Elon Musk's background and upbringing? My one and only reply to any and all of your donkey posts. As another poster said, you are truly insufferable.

Enlighten me, oh master of all information!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So, apparently Trump also reversed a bunch of Biden's cost caps on Medicare and Medicaid which will push drug prices up by as much as 4200%

lost in the "owning the libs" from poor uneducated Trump voters lol

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What exactly did the Biden crime family do that people are up in arms about?

He did this because Donald Trump is a sick petulant child who said he was coming after everyone once in got in office. 1/2 day shows he was serious, Biden did the right thing and protect his family from this demented lil shrimpy nut job.

Let's see what he has on the menu for day 2. The Russian/Ukraine war should be over according to him.

When Dems de-froth, they're going to see what others are seeing. Biden was maybe not criminal but he was a giant Turd. No way to sugar coat it.

Not Turd per se on being a president, rather being an advocate for his country and not himself.

He had a real chance to step aside and didn't until it was too late. He threw Kamala under the bus, leading to them falling out. He left office mostly alone and isolated, sitting at Presidential tea with the buffoon who should be in jail. Only to rise from tea and proceed to sink the judicial branches credibility by pardoning his family and allowing Trump's family to know they are immune forever.

That's what a turd does. Thanks for the memories, Joe.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing I don't understand is that raising the cost of pharmaceutical drugs benefits almost no one. It's crippling to all but the rich, but even the rich should be fine with cheaper anything. Only the big companies and their top employees benefit, who make up an insignificant portion of the population.

I understand that companies need to be profitable and that some drugs are expensive to produce. Heck, I'll even buy that some people should get wealthy from it, but it's also obvious that drugs can be sold cheap enough and still allow those things to happen.

Why are drug companies in the U.S. so powerful?

It wasn't a cap on prices, it was a cap on what individuals paid, with the government funding the difference. Trump wants to cut it so he can give billionaires more tax breaks.

But the policy was still pretty weak, as it didn't actually fix the problem of high drug prices; it just subsidized drug companies' already high prices. In most public systems, the government negotiates lower prices with drug companies to reduce costs for taxpayers, insurance companies, and individuals. But in this case, none of that really happened and it more or less just funnelled tax dollars to pharmaceutical companies. It still helped the individuals that benefited to be sure, but it's not really a viable strategy in the long term.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Great band, never even knew he was in it though. Hope he doesn’t regret this.

Unlikely to get fooled again

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sure, but most innocent peopel haven't been threatened by a man with this much power like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...on-immigration


So again, I don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't also pardon their own family to protect them from unjust persecution. Of course you would do it, you'd be dumb not to.

Naturally if Trump is hellbent on coming after these people he's going to be able to do it as the President (or have someone else do it at a non federal level) regardless in some other way that doesn't apply, and probably with very little effort too.

It's wrong and nobody should be minimizing these pardons whether it's capital rioters or simply nepotism. It also opens the door for a little more abuse every time. It won't even look as bad now if Trump decides to pre-emptively pardon his entire family in 4 years....maybe he wouldn't even have thought of it until now. I don't think grilling Biden on this is at all unfair and should be something he takes a lot of heat for given the door he's further opening.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Naturally if Trump is hellbent on coming after these people he's going to be able to do it as the President (or have someone else do it at a non federal level) regardless in some other way that doesn't apply, and probably with very little effort too.

It's wrong and nobody should be minimizing these pardons whether it's capital rioters or simply nepotism. It also opens the door for a little more abuse every time. It won't even look as bad now if Trump decides to pre-emptively pardon his entire family in 4 years....maybe he wouldn't even have thought of it until now. I don't think grilling Biden on this is at all unfair and should be something he takes a lot of heat for given the door he's further opening.

I hate to be the bearer of obvious news, but the door has been kicked open, blown up, driven over, and stuffed in an incinerator. There is no door to crack open further.

Supporters and political allies

Trump's use of the pardon power was marked by an unprecedented degree of favoritism.[12] He frequently granted executive clemency to his supporters or political allies,[17][18] or following personal appeals or campaigns in conservative media,[19] as in the cases of Rod Blagojevich, Michael Milken, Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, and Clint Lorance, as well as Bernard Kerik.[17] Trump granted clemency to five of his former campaign staff members and political advisers: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.[20]



Many of Trump's grants of clemency were criticized by the federal agents and prosecutors who investigated and prosecuted the cases.[21] Trump's grant of clemency to Stone in July 2020 marked the first time Trump granted clemency to a "figure directly connected to the president's campaign."[17] Representatives Jerrold Nadler and Carolyn B. Maloney, who chair two House committees, said that "No other president has exercised the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose" and said that they would investigate whether Stone's commutation was a reward for protecting Trump.[17] Most Republican elected officials remained silent on Trump's commutation of Stone.[18] Exceptions were Republican senators Mitt Romney, who termed the commutation "unprecedented, historic corruption," and Pat Toomey, who called the commutation a "mistake" due in part to the severity of the crimes of which Stone was convicted.[17][22][23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...litical_allies


Lets stop pretending rules and norms matter anymore. They don't care, that's how they get power.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trump and Melania meme coins that launched on the weekend are down 50% from yesterdays highs lol

totally not a grift though

Oh please. Crypto is legit & here to stay.
You'll be calling a gift 10 years from now!

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

they are everywhere! HELP!

Mel is here defending a nazi. I think this should be enough for the forum, I don't understand how this is tolerated. It's not just a raised arm, it's the action.

https://bsky.app/profile/sirnorman.b.../3lgb23qzbcc2x

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Agree wirh Yang here. Bernie would have beat Trump and it'd be a much better alternate timeline to the one we're in now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1881698937209536679

Not a chance. Where would Bernie do better? Michigan?

Trump would become the non-politician and would suddenly also become the moderate. Just calling your self a "Socialist" anything in the US, makes the other guy the moderate by default.

Also, Bernie's voter base doesn't vote, they didn't even get out to vote for him in 2020. Remember, Reddit/Twitter are echo chambers, they do not represent the majority. If they did, Bernie would have destroyed Biden. Bernie couldn't even win Washington state in 2020