Flames prospects to be excited about

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fan69

To me the dallas model is hitting on a three high end players in one draft.

I agree on the canes model. Depth at positions wins cups somehing the Treliving edition was constantly fighting with. Endless stream of picks going out to shore up( usually) the bottom end of the roster.

Why i advocate trading Anderson this year beside the fact i think he will decline quickly. Adding another first and good to very good prospect would give us huge flexibility especially if that prospect is a center.

Yeah the Canes are a plan, the Stars are an outcome.

Hopefully you get some Stars in your results from a Canes plan, but you can't plan to out draft everyone in a single year by a country mile.

[D as in David]

Is it fair to say that the Jets' model is similar to the Canes'?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I believe that there is too much scrutiny in the details when referencing "The Dallas Model" - I don't think it is a model at all, but just Conroy stating that you don't need to burn it down, but rather just continue to draft well. Dallas didn't really burn it down, they just bottomed-out. I think that's the plan here in Calgary - not to burn it to the ground, but also not avoid bottoming out.

Conroy is just focusing on retaining a culture that helps prospects develop. If it was about development while winning games, then the Flames would have likely spent much closer to the cap this season. I do think that there is a fairly large threshold between bottoming-out and burning it to the ground. I also think that, for this year at least, organizations don't have to burn it to the ground in order to select high. I think the year-end point totals should probably reflect that - no real 'shockingly terrible' point totals as compared to some previous years. With McKenna next draft, I could see a team or too that may be inclined to just burn it down, but there isn't one (so far) this season.

As for the rankings posted by Bingo and Jiri, I don't particularly agree with the criticisms around it. I feel that any methodology used to show information can prove to be useful as long as the methodology is fairly and equally used to extract and present the information. If there is a bias in applying the exercise, then the information becomes flawed, and I believe this is when it should be criticized and ignored. This data - as long as it has been applied fairly - just shows a different snapshot in time, that's all, and this is useful information in order to compare and contrast the Flames to other organizations, as well as to themselves from previous exercises.

The one bias that I think we can account for is in overly-rewarding teams that don't select high, and who have prospects that take more time to bake. However, one can still gain some information comparing teams who have not drafted very high lately. We can see how well teams have been drafting from various segments, and i personally make the conclusion that the Flames have been drafting well in that ugly 'mushy middle' part of the spectrum, which only further proves that Conroy's philosophy seems to be on the right track.


When we are talking about rebuilds, one good question to ask is:

Is it more important to draft high, or is it more important to draft well? Oilers are a blatant example of drafting poorly, but drafting very high. No championships under this model, but they have experienced a lot more success than the Flames have in the playoffs lately. I feel it is difficult to win championships without both being present. Colorado, Tampa, Florida, Chicago - these are all teams that have drafted well and bottomed-out (or have done a scorched earth rebuild). It doesn't mean that they are the 'plan' - Florida doesn't win the cup without it being an attractive destination, and they made several astute trades and signings. Colorado doesn't win without the fruits of their tanking - MacKinnon, Ratanen and Makar specifically, but they also don't win without drafting well overall, something that couldn't be said of them for a while. Tampa and Chicago are probably the best examples of what happens when you draft well and bottom-out - they are the closest organizations you can point to at being dynasties in the modern era.

I think there are number of prospects (and young players on the team itself) that you can point at and say that they have a good chance at having NHL careers. Still missing some top-tier franchise-level talent, but I also feel that some of the existing talent is a bit overlooked, and one or two might end up becoming thought of as an integral part of the core outside of Wolf and Parekh.


I look forward to seeing more models pop up about drafting. Always makes for interesting discussion. Flames have been a very good drafting and development organization that just haven't received enough attention because they aren't producing generational players, but they are routinely producing NHL players nonetheless at a better rate than most organizations, and this is what this model shows.

[Bingo]

https://buymeacoffee.com/nickthehabs...-pool-rankings

Final article ...

Stars
Parekh
Mews
Misa

Impact
Brzustewicz
Morin
Suniev
Basha

[Bingo]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1876051745887166806

[Jiri Hrdina]

Would be great if that "Bad Future" for Vegas started to hit.....say....next year.

[Enoch Root]

That chart is a great concept, but the X-axis is weak - all he did was plug in where they are in the standings today.

The Y-axis has analysis on the prospects, which has value. He needs a little more analysis for the X-axis, and this would be really interesting.

For instance, he could evaluate the players on the roster, the same way he did for the prospects. Instead of just saying the Rangers are under .500, look at their roster and determine a score for quality of players.

Then you would have essentially the same criteria and methodology for the X and the Y axes, one being current and the other being future

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Would be great if that "Bad Future" for Vegas started to hit.....say....next year.

immediately after they knock EDM out of the playoffs

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://buymeacoffee.com/nickthehabs...-pool-rankings

Final article ...

Stars
Parekh
Mews
Misa

Impact
Brzustewicz
Morin
Suniev
Basha

From the article on Parekh;

He's one of the best junior Canadian defensemen, he must've had a huge impact on Team Canada in this World Juniors. The gold medal game is today, I'm sure he'll be huge in helping Canada win...

Was that a tongue in cheek shot at Canada's selection committee?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://buymeacoffee.com/nickthehabs...-pool-rankings

Final article ...

Stars
Parekh
Mews
Misa

Impact
Brzustewicz
Morin
Suniev
Basha

Reading that Conroy interview and him talking about we will have to grow and get better internally, I thought to myself once we get Mews, Parekh and Misa in the AHL or main roster we could see some serious skill upgrade.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

From the article on Parekh;

Was that a tongue in cheek shot at Canada's selection committee?

Of course it was, what else would it mean lol

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Reading that Conroy interview and him talking about we will have to grow and get better internally, I thought to myself once we get Mews, Parekh and Misa in the AHL or main roster we could see some serious skill upgrade.

Hoping Conroy plans to make spots available for current Wrangler players to make the flames next year. Would love for top line spots to be available on the Wranglers for guys like Mews and Misa to fill. That could mean guys like Klapka and Brz making the jump to the NHL.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Groot

Of course it was, what else would it mean lol

Don't know the writer, so that's why I asked. Thank you for the answer.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

https://buymeacoffee.com/nickthehabs...-pool-rankings

Final article ...

Stars
Parekh
Mews
Misa

Impact
Brzustewicz
Morin
Suniev
Basha

So in his opinion the Flames added two future star Dmen and one future impact Dman to the prospect pool in the last calendar year.

Hopefully we're saying the same thing about centermen this time next year.

(Also, hopefully Misa sticks as a centerman)

[TheScorpion]

It would not surprise me in the least to see both Mews and Misa in the NCAA next year. I'd be downright surprised to see Mews not go there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It would not surprise me in the least to see both Mews and Misa in the NCAA next year. I'd be downright surprised to see Mews not go there.

Why not the Wranglers.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It would not surprise me in the least to see both Mews and Misa in the NCAA next year. I'd be downright surprised to see Mews not go there.

As an avid CHL fan I am not a fan of the new NCAA rules at all.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why not the Wranglers.

Drafted out of the CHL they have to either make the NHL or be sent back to the CHL until they are in their 20 year old season.

Of course as mentioned above, now they can just #### off to the NCAA whenever they want.

[mile]

Originally Posted by thescorpion

it would not surprise me in the least to see both mews and misa in the ncaa next year. I'd be downright surprised to see mews not go there.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1875615804567564560

https://twitter.com/user/status/1875633254801535392

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Mews looks like he's taken a step this year.

The D pool just gets more studly.

With a swath of B+ type winger prospects, i think the excitement will come if and when they can supplement that with an A level center or two.