Flames' Pride Night slotted for March 28 vs. LA

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

you seem vile

There's no "seem" needed in that sentence.

Intentionally wanting to harm further the group that might be the most vulnerable group we have in our western society is beyond vile.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

There's no "seem" needed in that sentence.

Intentionally wanting to harm further the group that might be the most vulnerable group we have in our western society is beyond vile.

You just have to laugh at these people. The guy is so concerned about putting medical care in scare quotes that he admits to abusing children. Talk about dunking on yourself.

[Eb0la11]

Good thing we live in a democratic country and sorry I’m not sorry my opinion offended you.

[MRCboicgy]

Good thing some of us have intimate knowledge of what trans kids go through, on both growing up and within the current healthcare system, to be able to offer empathy and understanding rather than *waves hands* whatever that is in this thread.
As opposed to whatever pablum is fed through the disinformation channels that produces said hand waving stuff.

yeesh

[butterfly]

The thread died organically and somebody had to revive it because they enjoy this.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Good thing some of us have intimate knowledge of what trans kids go through, on both growing up and within the current healthcare system, to be able to offer empathy and understanding rather than *waves hands* whatever that is in this thread.
As opposed to whatever pablum is fed through the disinformation channels that produces said hand waving stuff.

yeesh

See, this is kind of the thing. I dont really have any opinions one way or the other on Trans rights, I've only ever met 2 trans people and they were both adults. Nice people though.

And that one Trans woman...she looked like she could break me in half.

Anyhow...

But one of the things I've learned over a long career is that if you dont understand something, STFU and listen to the people who do.

All people should have the same rights, except for the Dutch and the French, obviously, but aside from them I think some people, especially in Government, are letting 'Perfect' be the enemy of 'Good.'

1. Will some kids potentially be harmed?

Yeah. It could happen. Who knows? This is kind of Undiscovered Country.

2. Would it be better for the vast majority of a small population?

Yeah. Probably.

And I mean that within the context of giving everyone equal rights. We might even have to lump women in there! Oh the horror! The horror!

*Faints Dramatically*

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Eb0la11

Good thing we live in a democratic country and sorry I’m not sorry my opinion offended you.

So brave.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Eb0la11

Good thing we live in a democratic country and sorry I’m not sorry my opinion offended you.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that in other discussions you say we are living under a dictator

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Yamer

The overwhelming majority of them, yes.

A grade school level of education assuages virtually every panic you could possibly have.

Take puberty blockers. Limiting access to them until a person is 16, when puberty has already run its course, is objectively stupid and steeped in nothing but bigoted hogwash.

I think that's your own bias and you're own prejudice. I just don't know how you can be so confident that a 12 year old fully grasps the gravity of their decisions nor do they fully grasp who they are as a person. I don't think that's bigotry in the slightest. Its quite reasonable that someone would feel that way since you'd likely feel the same way in any other area of a child's life.

Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their spouse?
Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their career?

I'm genuinely curious what makes you so confident that this is different than any other major life decision being made by a child.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

The point of standing up to bigots is to let the people that they are targeting see that they are not alone. When hate is met with silence it makes the targets of the hate feel like those opinions are accepted by everyone.

I have personally heard from people targeted by these monsters that seeing that there are people on their side has been the difference that saved them from suicide. Using your voice to disagree with hate makes a big difference.

As for the person spewing the hate, I have no idea what their angle is. Being that it has all just been the same tired old cut and paste bigot talking points, I have my doubts they know either. That they cannot seem to cope with how people are seeing right through their transparent "think of the children, just asking questions" routine, also supports my theory that they are mindlessly repeating propaganda.

Thank god for hero's like you. Anyone with a different opinion is a bigot. Anyone asking a question is doing so with nefarious motives. There is no possible way someone could be willing to listen and change their perspective. Lets make sure we never even allow that to be a possibility. I'm so understanding and accepting, as long as someone believes exactly what I believe at that exact moment. Give yourself a big pat on the back. You're really making a difference.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Thank god for hero's like you. Anyone with a different opinion is a bigot. Anyone asking a question is doing so with nefarious motives. There is no possible way someone could be willing to listen and change their perspective. Lets make sure we never even allow that to be a possibility. I'm so understanding and accepting, as long as someone believes exactly what I believe at that exact moment. Give yourself a big pat on the back. You're really making a difference.

Instead of playing the victim why don’t you just research the topic instead of asking questions or spreading false information that have been answered/debunked not only on this message board dozens if not hundreds of times, but basically everywhere else as well.

I’m genuinely sorry you’re so insecure that you think being called a bigot is a reflection of other people and not your own views and decide to mock them instead of actually listening to what their saying or reflecting on how they came to that conclusion. I know you’re the hero in your story, but nobody else is actually required to treat you like a prince, so grow up.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think that's your own bias and you're own prejudice. I just don't know how you can be so confident that a 12 year old fully grasps the gravity of their decisions nor do they fully grasp who they are as a person. I don't think that's bigotry in the slightest. Its quite reasonable that someone would feel that way since you'd likely feel the same way in any other area of a child's life.

Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their spouse?
Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their career?

I'm genuinely curious what makes you so confident that this is different than any other major life decision being made by a child.

How about letting that be a process between a child and a trained professional? You know, like how it's being handled now.

Limiting crucial care is not a solution to anything. It's just making stupid people feel justified in their uninformed perspectives.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think that's your own bias and you're own prejudice. I just don't know how you can be so confident that a 12 year old fully grasps the gravity of their decisions nor do they fully grasp who they are as a person. I don't think that's bigotry in the slightest. Its quite reasonable that someone would feel that way since you'd likely feel the same way in any other area of a child's life.

Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their spouse?
Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their career?

I'm genuinely curious what makes you so confident that this is different than any other major life decision being made by a child.

Yeah, what a major life decision. Should kids be allowed to have the choice to be cisgender? Maybe they should go through counseling.

You are who you are, end of story. There’s no choice.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think that's your own bias and you're own prejudice. I just don't know how you can be so confident that a 12 year old fully grasps the gravity of their decisions nor do they fully grasp who they are as a person. I don't think that's bigotry in the slightest. Its quite reasonable that someone would feel that way since you'd likely feel the same way in any other area of a child's life.

Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their spouse?
Would you feel confident in a 12 year old choosing their career?

I'm genuinely curious what makes you so confident that this is different than any other major life decision being made by a child.

Your argument is a great one for puberty blockers as they are reversible and allow kids to work through their gender identity without going through physical changes that are irreversible.

No kid can walk through the door of the GP today and schedule a surgical transition next week or next month. Even minor surgical intervention is done after extensive period of care and many surgeries aren’t even legal until they are at least 18 years of age.