I agree that a leadership change doesn’t necessarily help the CPC, but I can’t imagine how it helps the NDP. Why would Singh come out and publicly say Justin Trudeau has to be removed from leader of the Liberals, but won’t vote against him in a non confidence motion?
Now, just to be clear, I’m not saying that it’s the right or wrong thing to do. I also don’t want a bunch of explanations for why he should or shouldn’t do it. I’m simply asking for a direct answer to this question:
Do you really not understand the difference between having a new leader for a party that you’ll(begrudgingly or not) continue supporting because that party will keep certain programs or policies that are important to your own voter base in place in the short term, and forcing an election that will likely put those programs in jeopardy?
What’s really odd is the NDP calling for a Liberal leadership change. (Or else, they might do something as opposed to nothing.
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I agree that a leadership change doesn’t necessarily help the CPC, but I can’t imagine how it helps the NDP. Why would Singh come out and publicly say Justin Trudeau has to be removed from leader of the Liberals, but won’t vote against him in a non confidence motion? He has had the opportunity (many times) to distance himself from the Liberals, but keep propping them up. How does that help the NDP in the next election?
It’s like Jagmeet only opens his mouth to change feet.
In a year from now, if Trudeau steps aside, nobody will remember any of this. That’s what helps the NDP. An election now does them no good. And it’s a fantasy if anyone thinks triggering an election now is going to help the NDP win anymore seats than if they wait it out.
The Abacus guy was on CTV earlier. Take the numbers with a grain of salt because Abacus generally has the CPC higher than other pollsters by a few points but the numbers are pretty overwhelming.
Top line numbers
CPC 45%
LIB 20%
NDP 18%
BQ 8%
GRN 4%
PPC 4%
A 25 point gap and he said that among voters most likely to vote it becomes a 30 point gap.
58% of Canadians want an election now
23% do not want an election
15% don't know
4% don't care
Usually most Canadians never want an election.
Should Trudeau resign?
19% he should stay
67% he should resign
14% don't know
Time to take the Liberal/NDP frankenhorse out to pasture and put a bullet in its head. How much more of this gong show does the country have to watch.
It’s f’ing embarrassing at this point. The younger generations in this country are going to be saddled with the massive debt that this collection of idiots have run up. Like a boat anchor on their standards of living. I can’t believe any of them would still consider voting for the “leaders” that have undermined their future.
Hopefully there’s someone in the Liberal party that can talk some sense into Trudeau’s head and either get him to step aside or the rest of the MPs have the courage to vote non confidence and finally put an end to the current government.
As much as people here ranting and raving about the country being “held hostage” (lol) would absolutely lose their mind over it, it’s a strategy with a decent chance of success and the possibility of which PP is absolutely losing sleep over.
For the disaster they’re making the Liberals out to be, the Conservative polling numbers are actually worse than you’d expect. With the right winds shifting around before the election, they could drop right back down.
Of course Trudeau is the biggest obstacle there, but it’s a big reason why Conservatives and their supporters are obsessed with calling an election rather than anything to do with resigning.
You’re as delusional as trudeau if you believe that.
The liberals are headed for a 1993 mulroney loss.
Trudeau is too much of a narcissist to step aside. He’s going down with the ship and taking the country with him. It’s not him. Everyone else is wrong.
He wouldn't resign this quickly as a kneejerk to Freeland. People who think it works that way are silly.
Most likley he resigns in about a week, leadership convention happens in the spring, with an October election. I don't see why the Liberals would rush into one versus giving the new leader as much time as possible to regain ground.
There probably won’t be many around so they probably don’t care when the election takes place. Many of them aren’t running again because they know they will have no chance of winning.
They might want one - I think they see an increase in their seats is quite possible. OTOH they might have figured the NDP would shoot it down so they could freely vote in favour without risk of it actually passing.
They’ll probably be the official opposition with seats from only one province. They absolutely want an election.
I find the media kinda funny. It’s always black and white storytelling. There has to be a villain and a protagonist. Let’s be real here. Bobblehead Freeland only stepped down because she was now being thrown under the bus and didn’t want to take that hit. But if Justin didn’t open his yap before hand she would’ve eaten it and presented the budget as normal and as usual would skirt questions. They’re two peas in a pod and got us to this point. Screw both of them.
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I find the media kinda funny. It’s always black and white storytelling. There has to be a villain and a protagonist. Let’s be real here. Bobblehead Freeland only stepped down because she was now being thrown under the bus and didn’t want to take that hit. But if Justin didn’t open his yap before hand she would’ve eaten it and presented the budget as normal and as usual would skirt questions. They’re two peas in a pod and got us to this point. Screw both of them.
This was a shrewd political move by Freeland. She steps aside, and throws the budget mess all into Trudeaus lap. She sticking around as an MP and when he leaves, she’ll run for leadership and can in this budget issue on him. Had she stayed and been fired, that option is out the window. She knew exactly what she as doing here and despite CPC thoughts otherwise, she’s a really smart person.
I’m not saying she wins that leadership, but she’s certainly given herself a better chance by quitting now and in the way that she did.
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No, her move was entirely self serving and only serves to hurt the party she would then want to vote for her...i dont think that happens.
I disagree. She didn't want cash giveaways in her budget, as she explained, we will need the fiscal cushion to deal with the Insane Cheeto Posse down south. Her job is to manage the countries finances, and this was a step to far for Canada. She saw it as a mistake, and it's great to have people in Government who stand up to defend the roll of their department, rather than a gang of yes people.
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Time to take the Liberal/NDP frankenhorse out to pasture and put a bullet in its head. How much more of this gong show does the country have to watch.
It’s f’ing embarrassing at this point. The younger generations in this country are going to be saddled with the massive debt that this collection of idiots have run up. Like a boat anchor on their standards of living. I can’t believe any of them would still consider voting for the “leaders” that have undermined their future.
Hopefully there’s someone in the Liberal party that can talk some sense into Trudeau’s head and either get him to step aside or the rest of the MPs have the courage to vote non confidence and finally put an end to the current government.
Soon enough these young people will get their first experience witnessing the fine fiscal management of Conservatives, and their caring demeanor. As they say, Conservative times are tough times.
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