12-14-2024, 09:04 AM
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Yes, I’d say that article is 2 trades the Flames wouldn’t do and 2 trades the opposition wouldn’t do.
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12-14-2024, 09:05 AM
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#4362
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Ped
Last couple of years? He's struggling mightily this year but had a career high in PPG last season, even after missing half of it.
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Context is key.
Where is Pinto on the Senators depth chart and where would he be in Calgary’s? I suspect he moves up and has more of a chance to flourish here.
C’s at his age and attributes are worth a 1st. Easy. Can the Flames get another pick out of it? Perhaps, but I don’t think it’s far off the mark and it’s very similar to the types of trades Conroy has been making to date. Finding underutilized assets.
I’d like to see more too but unless there’s is another team offering more, what’s the alternative? Play out the year and maybe get more in the offseason?
Last edited by TOfan; 12-14-2024 at 09:11 AM.
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12-14-2024, 09:07 AM
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#4363
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Franchise Player
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Flames are classy and never trade this time of year, so likely won’t be any moves until January, eh?
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12-14-2024, 09:10 AM
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#4364
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
Flames are classy and never trade this time of year, so likely won’t be any moves until January, eh?
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Correct, I doubt we see anyone moved before Christmas.
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12-14-2024, 09:21 AM
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#4365
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Lifetime Suspension
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What is the expectation with McTavish ? Going from one offensively challenged team to another with not much talent.
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12-14-2024, 09:24 AM
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#4366
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
What is the expectation with McTavish ? Going from one offensively challenged team to another with not much talent.
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All things are not equal.
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12-14-2024, 09:38 AM
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#4367
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Originally Posted by Royle9
I know for a fact he’s already received better offers for both.
Those are completely low balled offers.
I’d trade Barrie and Drive Yegor straight to YYC if those offers were on the table today, but they aren’t.
This is why it’s a pivotal time for Craig and he needs to start looking at some of the offers and firming up his ask. As we know so far he’s been trying to remain competitive this year because of the hot start, but I’m told that the “ship has sailed” and the Flames could be looking to make moves here shortly.
I personally feel like with how close we are to the bottom we should be moving some of the vets, the ones that don’t want to be here and the ones with most value.
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Curious to know what vets would want to move on.
Sounds like Andersson wants to be on a contender. We’ve heard Backlund and Kadri want to stay. Coleman has stated he likes it here and it’s seems like Weegar does too.
Of course, much of this could change if you put a chance to go play on a cup contender in front of these guys and from a PR thing, they’re doing the right thing by not stating publicly they want to, or would like to, leave.
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12-14-2024, 09:40 AM
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#4368
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Curious to know what vets would want to move on.
Sounds like Andersson wants to be on a contender. We’ve heard Backlund and Kadri want to stay. Coleman has stated he likes it here and it’s seems like Weegar does too.
Of course, much of this could change if you put a chance to go play on a cup contender in front of these guys and from a PR thing, they’re doing the right thing by not stating publicly they want to, or would like to, leave.
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Yeah, I honestly don’t see much left to trade outside of Andersson and Vladar. Backlund and Sharangovich could be surprise trades but Kadri, Coleman, and Weegar are more likely off-season trades if they even get moved. Kuzmenko probably can’t even be dumped right now
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12-14-2024, 09:44 AM
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#4369
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
What is the expectation with McTavish ? Going from one offensively challenged team to another with not much talent.
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The Flames add a 21 year top six centre with #1C upside. Toss in another two good drafts and they are on their way to exiting the rebuild and competing when he’d be 26/27. I still don’t think the Ducks will actually trade him but I’d be fine with Conroy trading for him.
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12-14-2024, 09:49 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by TOfan
All things are not equal.
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Do you think he going to pop here? Or he is a placeholder until we start getting some talent into the lineup.
We all know how Huska coaching this team.
If he comes here stays around a 40 point pace are people get frustrated with him? Does his confidence get shot?
The examples provided so far have been good players being traded to good to great teams.
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12-14-2024, 10:04 AM
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#4371
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Ped
Last couple of years? He's struggling mightily this year but had a career high in PPG last season, even after missing half of it.
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Well I personally would consider missing half of the season for a gambling suspension to be something that would not be considered a strong season and would consider it a struggle
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12-14-2024, 10:06 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Do you think he going to pop here? Or he is a placeholder until we start getting some talent into the lineup.
We all know how Huska coaching this team.
If he comes here stays around a 40 point pace are people get frustrated with him? Does his confidence get shot?
The examples provided so far have been good players being traded to good to great teams.
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Are we worried about Zary’ s confidence? Coronato’s?
I think that’s bit of a reach to worry about a guys confidence. How on earth would we know? I’m not prepared to play psychologist from 80,000ft.
I also wouldn’t be worried about McTavish ‘popping’. Especially in the early going. The intent of acquiring a player like McTavish is he would slot in as a top 2C for, hopefully, the next decade. I wouldn’t be as concerned evaluating the trade I year one or year two as I would in years 4,5,6 and so on.
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12-14-2024, 10:07 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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The gambling thing was a silly bet right? It’s not like an addiction or anything.
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12-14-2024, 10:11 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Are we worried about Zary’ s confidence? Coronato’s?
I think that’s bit of a reach to worry about a guys confidence. How on earth would we know? I’m not prepared to play psychologist from 80,000ft.
I also wouldn’t be worried about McTavish ‘popping’. Especially in the early going. The intent of acquiring a player like McTavish is he would slot in as a top 2C for, hopefully, the next decade. I wouldn’t be as concerned evaluating the trade I year one or year two as I would in years 4,5,6 and so on.
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Fair points but the difference is that Zary and Coronato are our drafted players cracking the lineup.
When you make a trade for a McTavish you are spending a lot of assets so the expectations right or wrong will be higher immediately on the player. Do you agree with that?
Not everyone is going to be like me or you and understand he’s a young player still developing and the team stinks and needs talent to help him. The average fan sees what we spend to get him and expect a bunch of points right away. That creates a lot of pressure for a young guy.
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12-14-2024, 10:30 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Fair points but the difference is that Zary and Coronato are our drafted players cracking the lineup.
When you make a trade for a McTavish you are spending a lot of assets so the expectations right or wrong will be higher immediately on the player. Do you agree with that?
Not everyone is going to be like me or you and understand he’s a young player still developing and the team stinks and needs talent to help him. The average fan sees what we spend to get him and expect a bunch of points right away. That creates a lot of pressure for a young guy.
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Expectations go with anything. That’s just a fact of life for an NHL player, any NHL player.
And all due respect for fans, but that should have next to zero impact. Especially for the organization or the player. If either are worried about the fans, their heads aren’t screwed on right. Especially because most/all fans only know a small percentage of what’s really going on and rarely, if ever, do all fans agree on much anyway. It’s just noise.
I don’t think McTavish is all that fragile. Otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is. Putting him under Kadri and Backlund could be the perfect environment for him to grow. Better than Anaheim, I’d bet.
Last edited by TOfan; 12-14-2024 at 10:35 AM.
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12-14-2024, 10:44 AM
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#4376
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Can't imagine going through life with an inability to not be an ass.
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Unfortunately for some, it’s literally all they have going for them
Sad really
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12-14-2024, 10:48 AM
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#4377
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Royle9
I know for a fact he’s already received better offers for both.
Those are completely low balled offers.
I’d trade Barrie and Drive Yegor straight to YYC if those offers were on the table today, but they aren’t.
This is why it’s a pivotal time for Craig and he needs to start looking at some of the offers and firming up his ask. As we know so far he’s been trying to remain competitive this year because of the hot start, but I’m told that the “ship has sailed” and the Flames could be looking to make moves here shortly.
I personally feel like with how close we are to the bottom we should be moving some of the vets, the ones that don’t want to be here and the ones with most value.
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Now I’m curious which vets don’t want to be here…
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12-14-2024, 10:51 AM
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#4378
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by TOfan
I suspect [Pinto] moves up and has more of a chance to flourish here.
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How do you figure that? There's no way he plays above Backlund or Kadri, so at best he'd have the same slot here as Ottawa (3C).
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12-14-2024, 11:05 AM
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#4379
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon
How do you figure that? There's no way he plays above Backlund or Kadri, so at best he'd have the same slot here as Ottawa (3C).
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Well, lines change. Regularly. Further Backlund has this year and next. After that, who knows.
I think if you thought about it for longer than 1.53 seconds, you should see that there would be opportunity for him here. Further, who cares if he’s a 3C? The Flames need that too.
It’s been widely reported and even Conroy himself has said publicly that the Flames are looking for a C under the age of 25 and preferably right hand shot. Pinto is all three. If you can find another, would be interested to hear.
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12-14-2024, 11:46 AM
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#4380
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon
How do you figure that? There's no way he plays above Backlund or Kadri, so at best he'd have the same slot here as Ottawa (3C).
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Flames don't really have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd line though - he would get good linemates here. With him in the lineup, Zary probably goes back to wing and the "3rd" line would be something like Zary-Pinto-Sharangovich
I would call that a pretty good opportunity.
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