We know what we are going to get with Trudeau and it's not good enough. This country needs a better leader and direction. That's not PP. However PP means change and I don't mean his change. I mean change when he's surely one and done and my hope is the Liberal party would be able to get their act together after they clean house of the Trudeau rot as I may be looking long term with my vote.
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Hate Trudeau and want him gone, but also not a trucker or freedumber and I'm glad that dipkyit got them all towed out of the capital and froze their accounts.
It's good to reminded that people don't just fall neatly into two or three boxes and some preferences/characteristics aren't always associated with others.
That's just lazy, presumptive thinking that more and more people unfortunately exhibit these days.
It only serves to divide when from someone's opinion on one thing people think they can glean their entire political and religious beliefs and that they're sexist and racist.
What particular policies of the Cons do you like? Or does the I hate Trudeau just dominate?
A fresh approach would be to have more local candidates who on a regular basis vote differently than how everyone else in their party votes.
This generally doesn't matter though because most votes are along party lines and the party whip will ensure that all MPs are voting a certain way. If the party doesn't get the vote they want you are booted to be an independent. There are very few cases of open votes.
Canadians are tired of Trudeau's scandals and selfishness, Singh is a joke and I have no plans to vote for Poilievre.
Give us an alternative. May?
What are we supposed to do?
Trying to make the best of a bad set of circumstances is sometimes all you can do.
PP is the best realistic option Canada has right now so don't waste your vote.
I'm legitimately curious why people compare PP to Trump. Seems like a very lazy comparison to me to get Canadian to try and dislike him. Anyone care to give their opinion on this in a well thought out answer?
PP is the best realistic option Canada has right now so don't waste your vote.
I'm legitimately curious why people compare PP to Trump. Seems like a very lazy comparison to me to get Canadian to try and dislike him. Anyone care to give their opinion on this in a well thought out answer?
Where Trump is a right wing populist who uses anti-establishment (despite being part of the financial elite), fascist rhetoric while he cozies up to members of the far right for political gain and relies heavily on catchphrases, easily disprovable lies, and inflammatory language, Poilievre is a right wing populist who used anti-establishment (despite being part of the actual establishment), sometimes fascist rhetoric while he cozies up to members of the far right for political gain and relies heavily on catchphrases and inflammatory language and less heavily on heavily disprovable lies.
PP is basically the dorkier, career politician version of Trump who deploys the same approach with more polish and predictability.
And also the punchable face thing.
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I will never vote for the CPC with PP as leader. I need a leader of our country with more class, integrity, honest, and working class charm. He's a career politician with an ironclad pension since he was 30 and gaslights to fringe elements. I want better.
And before any of you go straight to the "well Trudeau doesn't have that either" we're not talking about him. We're talking about the likely next PM of our country.
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I'm legitimately curious why people compare PP to Trump. Seems like a very lazy comparison to me to get Canadian to try and dislike him. Anyone care to give their opinion on this in a well thought out answer?
Because we listen to the things he says, see the people he spends time with and don't think he's lying when he told us in the past how he feels about certain peoples in minority communities.
Pierre Pollievre is a lot of things, but the right choice to lead Canada into the future isn't one of them. Maybe back into the 50s Socially and the 80s fiscally.
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I can live with a minority .gov with pollyamourypepper. Don't want a majority republiconservative government.
I don't see any way there's another Trudeau government. I don't think that's in the cards and I don't see a way for the NDP to become any sort of elected government either.
At least in Canada we have an integrated system so the people can elect checks and balances on .gov
Look at Harper's tenure, won a minority, did a decent enough job in the eyes of voters and won a majority .gov then ppl didn't like it so much so a minority again. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thinks that's how it went.
Trudeau fluked out and sold hope in the Obama era. Don't think Trudeau gets in in any other era .
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The problem with Alberta is that we always vote blue. Cons don't need to do anything for us because we'll vote for them no matter what and the libs don't do anything for us because we don't vote for them no matter what. We need a Bloc like option that Quebec uses for leverage.
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And before any of you go straight to the "well Trudeau doesn't have that either" we're not talking about him. We're talking about the likely next PM of our country.
PP is the best realistic option Canada has right now so don't waste your vote.
I'm legitimately curious why people compare PP to Trump. Seems like a very lazy comparison to me to get Canadian to try and dislike him. Anyone care to give their opinion on this in a well thought out answer?
If there is a comparable it would be Trudeau and Trump.
Both convinced a country to vote for them with little political experience.
PP is the best realistic option Canada has right now so don't waste your vote.
I'm legitimately curious why people compare PP to Trump. Seems like a very lazy comparison to me to get Canadian to try and dislike him. Anyone care to give their opinion on this in a well thought out answer?
Trump and PP went to the well and drummed up the dredges of the far right militia types. Cozied up to well known white power groups and got those votes factored into the popular ethos.
Pollipepper though just aped Trump's schtick. That's where I see the similarities.
Fiscally pollipepper maybe he good , might not be. But on social politics, I could absolutely vomit at both Trump and PP.
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I will never vote for a PP Conservative Party for the majority of the same reasons why I will never vote for Maxime Bernier and the PPC party. PP has brought the party way too far to the right, enabled too much of the (social conservative and antiestablishment) fringe, and seems to just want to “see the world burn”. He attacks the press instead of answering questions. He has no substance, just buzz words and anti-Trudeau rhetoric.
Perhaps these last things would change in an election cycle, but I highly doubt it. PP is who he is.
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PP is the best realistic option Canada has right now so don't waste your vote.
I'm legitimately curious why people compare PP to Trump. Seems like a very lazy comparison to me to get Canadian to try and dislike him. Anyone care to give their opinion on this in a well thought out answer?
I'll just refer you back to this post. While it does not address Trump it explains my biggest problem with Poillievre. Comparison with Trump can be left as an exercise for the reader...
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As much as us wonks like to focus on policy and ignore the rest, the problem with Poilievre is that he likes to indulge the alt-right in its nonsense.
A good example of this is that Poilievre said he'd ban cabinet members from attending the World Economic Forum. Is that a big deal? No, not really. But normalizing decision-making based on the whims of conspiracy theorists absolutely is. The best hope for bringing the alt-right back to reality is for the centre-right to reel them in. But instead, Poilievre lets them pull him.
But that's a benign example. There are others that are worse.
Poilievre wants to defund the CBC and promotes the idea that it is Liberal propaganda. He consistently attacks mainstream journalism. Would eliminating our national broadcaster to create a right-wing mediasphere controlled by the wealthy not permanently damage Canada?
Poilievre supports eliminating the carbon tax, I'd wager because it makes him popular with climate change deniers. One consequence of this is that other countries might impose their own carbon taxes on our exports and collect the revenue themselves, instead of us collecting it.
Poilievre blames Trudeau's spending for inflation, even though the whole global economy had inflation. If he were in charge, Canadians would've gotten less help to get through the pandemic. Poilievre rejected dental care for children under 12 in low income families and a one time $500 transfer to low income renters because he viewed it as inflationary spending!
Speaking of pandemics, Poilievre's desire to endorse those who reject science and fight for the right to be disease vectors leads to the kind of policies that have a body count. This is a guy who choses to side with the rats in a plague because they vote for him.
It's not just the immunocompromised and seniors who Poilievre is willing to sacrifice to his party's lunatics. Poilievre supports Danielle Smith's puberty blocker ban, which I've already explained is awful policy. He's throwing trans people under the bus because it's politically convenient. And if a trans person gets attacked by an alt right nutjob he won't be holding the knife. But he'll have been in that person's ear telling them that they're right.
What will be the long-term effects of an alt-right that's been emboldened by Poilievre? If they have learned that they will get their way if they throw a temper tantrum, even if their way kills people?
How would Poilievre react, say, if the next alt-right theory is that First Nations people are ruining Canada? He won't send them to the gas chambers, but based on his track record, I wouldn't put it past him to dog-whistle, rather than condemn, those who would. How might his successor react, if Poilievre shows appeasing the alt-right to be an effective electoral strategy? There's a fire and instead of fighting it he's adding fuel. If we can control it later then there won't be too much permanent harm from a Poilievre government, but what if we can't?
Supporting conspiracy theory nonsense instead of denouncing it ought to be disqualifying.
PP and Trump both supported subversion of democracy through use of force in their respective nations' capitals. The truckers in Ottawa weren't as murderous as the Jan 6 rioters but they're on the same side of the coin.
