The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Let's make up more arguments

Are you of the opinion that people weren't saying that about that Flames core?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And, as has been said, Monahan. And a strong D core, and Markstrom.

And the common opinion on CP was that they had no stars and couldn't win.

If the Flames had:

Tkachuk - MacKinnon - Kucherov
Makar - Hedman
Shesterkin

as their core, Flame fans would complain about the lack of depth and cap space.

It is wild how undervalued that last team was - but I think it's fair that we can say a lot of that was due to the terrible head coaches that were continually hired here. The coaching hires actively suppressed all-stars and player development. For as long as we had Tkachuk and Gaudreau, the fact that they only played like 1.3 seasons together is baffling.

Screw ups all over the organization were present at that time. Who was having the hard conversations with Monahan and shutting him down while his hip was locking into position while he was on the ice?

Treliving was his own worst enemy.

[FanIn80]

Florida sunshine and taxes be damned, every STAR player worth their salt has the same boxes that need to be checked:

- Treat me and my family with respect
- Pay me what I'm worth
- Give me teammates that are fun to be around, contribute to what we're trying to do and aren't a distraction
- Communicate with me about how I can help and use me properly

If you draft a star player and check those boxes for them, they're not going to bail on you at the first chance they get. Granted, the 3rd one is difficult, but if you can at least show demonstrable effort at it while checking the other boxes, that's just as good.

Ottawa locked Brady up for 8, made him the Captain and is building their team around him. Calgary bridged Chucky, tried to tone him down in the room and even had their coach say "no one on this team is worthy of being a Captain" at a press conference, while refusing to name one at all for two full seasons.

Chucky has had nothing but love for this city since day one. His parents loved it here, and he still comes back in the summers for the Stampede. We had the greatest top line the game has seen since the 90s, and all we had to do was (this is only an educated guess) choose them over Sutter. Instead, we repeated "Gilbert vs Savard" all over again. We chose the coach, got rid of the player, fired the coach a year later anyway and then watched the player win a Cup with the team we sent them to.

I just don't get it. It's fine to make a mistake now and then, but it's not fine to repeat those mistakes. These people are being paid millions a year to make these decisions, it's not out of line to expect them to at least learn from their mistakes (or the mistakes of their predecessors).

At any rate, Conny is such a breath of fresh air. Literally the single best thing to come out of the whole mess.



Edit: Actually, I can't remember if we traded Savard to BOS or NYR (and then he went to BOS), but the point is still valid.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It is wild how undervalued that last team was - but I think it's fair that we can say a lot of that was due to the terrible head coaches that were continually hired here. The coaching hires actively suppressed all-stars and player development. For as long as we had Tkachuk and Gaudreau, the fact that they only played like 1.3 seasons together is baffling.

Screw ups all over the organization were present at that time. Who was having the hard conversations with Monahan and shutting him down while his hip was locking into position while he was on the ice?

Treliving was his own worst enemy.

We can only pray he's a slow learner and leaves a similar trail of destruction with his current team.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Edit: Actually, I can't remember if we traded Savard to BOS or NYR (and then he went to BOS), but the point is still valid.

We traded him to Atlanta, where Bob Hartley got his career back on track. Hartley was also the guy who coached Bennett's best season here, and had a huge impact on the emergence of Gaudreau and Monahan and Giordano as star players. Treliving fired him first chance he got

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

We traded him to Atlanta, where Bob Hartley got his career back on track. Hartley was also the guy who coached Bennett's best season here, and had a huge impact on the emergence of Gaudreau and Monahan and Giordano as star players. Treliving fired him first chance he got

That's a funny way of saying Bob made the playoffs once out of the four seasons he has in Calgary and hasn't coached in the NHL since (nor the previous five).

Full credit for Marc Savard however, Marc credits both Bob and then Atlanta GM Don Waddell for helping to turn is career around. Savard was pretty terrible in Calgary and took a beating for his his lazy play, none of it was unwarranted IMO. He was bad, he was lazy.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by BigThief

That's a funny way of saying Bob made the playoffs once out of the four seasons he has in Calgary and hasn't coached in the NHL since (nor the previous five).

Full credit for Marc Savard however, Marc credits both Bob and then Atlanta GM Don Waddell for helping to turn is career around. Savard was pretty terrible in Calgary and took a beating for his his lazy play, none of it was unwarranted IMO. He was bad, he was lazy.

Hey! That man runs Avangard Omsk! And thats after being one of the winningest coaches of Latvia!

He knows what he's about!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

We traded him to Atlanta, where Bob Hartley got his career back on track. Hartley was also the guy who coached Bennett's best season here, and had a huge impact on the emergence of Gaudreau and Monahan and Giordano as star players. Treliving fired him first chance he got

Bob was lauded for the way he brought young kids along. He was a teaching coach, and his system isn't that far different than what Huska is utilizing now from what I see anyway.


However, as much as I loved Bob, I acknowledge that his time was up here - he was overly harsh at times, and if you believe Stajan, he states that the room was divided because of Hartley.


I don't begrudge Treliving for terminating Hartley when he did, but I do begrudge him for the coaching hires he made afterwards. The one good thing about his coaching hires was that he brought in Huska to the organization after he fired Troy Ward (whom I really liked at the time). In hindsight, that's a great move, and now with the Flames going the way of youth, I argue that Huska is a great teaching coach right now too, but seems to go about things better behind the scenes.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The Monahan trade is what started the last phase too. Not sure I'd call it a trade... The Monahan giveaway sweepstakes?

to be fair nobody else would take him...certainly not for less. At that time nobody had cap space and Montreal just had 10M go on LTIR.

[cam_calderon]

To defend Brad, Kadri has been good in the room and on the whole, has deserved his contract. Monny looked broken and unlikely to score 20 goals again.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It is wild how undervalued that last team was - but I think it's fair that we can say a lot of that was due to the terrible head coaches that were continually hired here. The coaching hires actively suppressed all-stars and player development. For as long as we had Tkachuk and Gaudreau, the fact that they only played like 1.3 seasons together is baffling.

Screw ups all over the organization were present at that time. Who was having the hard conversations with Monahan and shutting him down while his hip was locking into position while he was on the ice?

Treliving was his own worst enemy.

Treliving make a lot of mistakes, but his coaching hires were abysmal.

[Strange Brew]

The thing about the Monahan trade was that no one had cap space so Montreal was able to drive a hard bargain to take on his $6 million salary.

Yet Kadri was still unsigned and still able to squeeze 7x$7 million out of Calgary.

[dino7c]

Kadri himself said he had a bigger offer out there...presumably with the Islanders. Lebrun reported a 8.5Mx6 offer elsewhere.

Remember he was coming off a 100 Point pace season and a great playoffs including a cup finals OT winner

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

kadri himself said he had a bigger offer out there...presumably with the islanders. Lebrun reported a 8.5mx6 offer elsewhere.

Remember he was coming off a 100 point pace season and a great playoffs including a cup finals ot winner

Relevant, though doesn't specify more money:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848529093127786974

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The thing about the Monahan trade was that no one had cap space so Montreal was able to drive a hard bargain to take on his $6 million salary.

Yet Kadri was still unsigned and still able to squeeze 7x$7 million out of Calgary.

Monahan had a modified no trade clause he was apparently willing to use. A number of teams had cap space, but only Montreal was not on his no-trade list with the available space.

Kadri was a sought after player with options. He was only unsigned becuase he had choices to make.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Treliving make a lot of mistakes, but his coaching hires were abysmal.

The Treliving era in Calgary would have ended much differently if the guy could have identified a good head coach.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Treliving era in Calgary would have ended much differently if the guy could have identified a good head coach.

I do find it funny that he was gifted with a Jack Adams winning coach and then was strong-armed into another Jack Adams winning coach and still managed to fall flat on his face.

While losing his two best wingers and paying to ship out a centre.

Thats a brilliant hockey mind right there.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

I do find it funny that he was gifted with a Jack Adams winning coach and then was strong-armed into another Jack Adams winning coach and still managed to fall flat on his face.

The players hated Hartley and wanted him shipped out. His Jack Adams saved his job for another year, but when he couldn't get blood from a stone twice he was gone.

Sutter just went pear-shaped in his final season. His ability to manage the bench just seemed to desert him somehow.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The players hated Hartley and wanted him shipped out. His Jack Adams saved his job for another year, but when he couldn't get blood from a stone twice he was gone.

Sutter just went pear-shaped in his final season. His ability to manage the bench just seemed to desert him somehow.

I mean, I hate to say it but....regardless...Hartley and Sutter were widely considered the best coaches in the League at one point.

And Brad 'The Wizard' Treliving didn't pick either of them.

Furthermore...if the players hated them? This is Hockey, Professional Hockey. Results are what count.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Sutter was fired, in part, because of how he treated non players in the organization.