How would Bruce Lee do in UFC?

[Neeper]

I wonder how Tony Jaa would do too. The guy from Ong Bak. He seems to be pretty quick too.

[icarus]

Dion Phaneuf would conquer them all.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

As for how Ali in his prime would do, there is a reason why boxing seems to be pressing the issue and bashing MMA every chance they get, and it's becasue they know that even the best boxer would likely get destroyed against a good MMA fighter. (edited to add that I mean in a MMA match, it would also go the other way)

I would highly disagree. Boxers hit a ton harder than MMA fighters and are just flat out quicker. There's a reason to be a champion boxer than you have to be training since you were under 7 and to be a champion MMAer you could basically start training when you're an adult.

With the hand speed of guys like Mayweather a MMAer wouldn't be able to even try and get him on the ground without getting knocked out.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by JayP

I would highly disagree. Boxers hit a ton harder than MMA fighters and are just flat out quicker. There's a reason to be a champion boxer than you have to be training since you were under 7 and to be a champion MMAer you could basically start training when you're an adult.

With the hand speed of guys like Mayweather a MMAer wouldn't be able to even try and get him on the ground without getting knocked out.

You don't think a guy like Chuck Liddel has the speed and knoockout power to stand with a lot of pro boxers?

Boxers would probably win any match where the opponenet was stupid enough to stand with them, but a guy like Randy Coutour, or Matt Hughes would easily be able to take down most boxers.

Boxing would be an excellent background to start with, but without the rest they would get beaten fairly regularily, but add in some ground game and takedown defence, and they could do VERY well.. But untill the money is the same we'll never know.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

You don't think a guy like Chuck Liddel has the speed and knoockout power to stand with a lot of pro boxers?

Boxers would probably win any match where the opponenet was stupid enough to stand with them, but a guy like Randy Coutour, or Matt Hughes would easily be able to take down most boxers.

Boxing would be an excellent background to start with, but without the rest they would get beaten fairly regularily, but add in some ground game and takedown defence, and they could do VERY well.. But untill the money is the same we'll never know.

If you think Chuck Liddell could stand toe-to-toe with a good pro boxer you're horribly mistaken. Has Liddell been training hand speed since he was in elementary school?

I still contend that top boxers are much too quick to be taken down as easily as you think they will be. These guys can last 12 twelve rounds dodging and avoiding a single great punch (see Mayweather against De La Hoya), but some low tackle is going to take them down without defense? If Coutour or Hughes tried to go low on them any good boxer would be more quick enough to deliver several punishing blows to an opponnent who's not defending themselves.

[Burninator]

I've though a lot about a boxer fighting a MMA fighter and this is what I think would happen.

Boxing fight: The boxer would easily win. A boxer has been training his whole career for this style. His training, sparing is specific to a boxing fight. A MMA fighter is never really involved in a boxing fight. He has to be aware of getting taken down or getting kicked. An MMA fighter is just not a talented enough boxer to compete. If records mean anything the heavy weight champion of the UFC is 15-8 and the boxing champion is 48-3. I honestly can't see Randy beating Klistschko in a boxing match. Also remember boxers are fighting with gloves that are pillows compared to the UFC, so knock outs are harder to come by, but they still deliver them.

MMA fight: The MMA fighter would win handedly. A boxer is just not versed enough to handle blocking kicks and takes down. The only hope for the boxer is if the fight remains a slug fest.

Of course it is hard to say for sure who would win. Both fighters train for different things. I find the MMA fights are more crash and bang and decisions are made in a flash, where as boxing fights are slower and rely more on a slow beat down.

[united]

I think Takanori Gomi summed it up perfectly on The Best Damn Sports Show Period.
He basically stated that if he fought Oscar De La Hoya in a boxing match, he would lose even if Oscar had one hand tied behind his back because he is too fast and skilled.
He also stated that if the same match was infact MMA he would easily take him down and submit him in a matter of minutes.
Two different sports that are similar but not comparable imo.

[united]

Originally Posted by JayP

If you think Chuck Liddell could stand toe-to-toe with a good pro boxer you're horribly mistaken. Has Liddell been training hand speed since he was in elementary school?

I still contend that top boxers are much too quick to be taken down as easily as you think they will be. These guys can last 12 twelve rounds dodging and avoiding a single great punch (see Mayweather against De La Hoya), but some low tackle is going to take them down without defense? If Coutour or Hughes tried to go low on them any good boxer would be more quick enough to deliver several punishing blows to an opponnent who's not defending themselves.

You are talking about collegiate champions and high level olympic wrestlers and judokas you know. They will have no problem taking down any boxer, none.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by united

You are talking about collegiate champions and high level olympic wrestlers and judokas you know. They will have no problem taking down any boxer, none.

Quoted for truth... put a guy like Coutoure in the octagon against any boxer alive and I'd say Coutoure wins 98 times out of 100... they're just different sports.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by united

You are talking about collegiate champions and high level olympic wrestlers and judokas you know. They will have no problem taking down any boxer, none.

No, I'm talking about basically any great boxer in recent memory.

Holyfield, Lewis, Foreman, Mayweather Jr, De La Hoya, etc., etc. were all training to become professional boxers by the the time they were pre-teens. How many recent UFC champions can say the same?

Let me sum up my opinion:

Boxer vs. MMAer in boxing match = 0% chance for the MMAer

Boxer vs. MMAer in MMA match = there's a good chance the boxer wins. Obviously if the boxer got taken down they're in huge trouble, but I still contend that if boxers are able to dodge and counter-attack lightning-quick punches for 12-rounds they'll be able to deal with someone leaving themselves wide open by lunging at them and going for their legs.

The fact that someone like Tank Abbott has had a mildly sucessful MMA career speaks volumes to me. If a brawler with actual boxing ability can survive I fail to see why people think top boxers wouldn't be able to.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Burninator

MMA fight: The MMA fighter would win handedly. A boxer is just not versed enough to handle blocking kicks and takes down. The only hope for the boxer is if the fight remains a slug fest.

Failed boxer Butterbean has taken up MMA and he's done pretty well for a guy who has got a good size spare tire.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by JayP

No, I'm talking about basically any great boxer in recent memory.

Holyfield, Lewis, Foreman, Mayweather Jr, De La Hoya, etc., etc. were all training to become professional boxers by the the time they were pre-teens. How many recent UFC champions can say the same?

Let me sum up my opinion:

Boxer vs. MMAer in boxing match = 0% chance for the MMAer

Boxer vs. MMAer in MMA match = there's a good chance the boxer wins. Obviously if the boxer got taken down they're in huge trouble, but I still contend that if boxers are able to dodge and counter-attack lightning-quick punches for 12-rounds they'll be able to deal with someone leaving themselves wide open by lunging at them and going for their legs.

The fact that someone like Tank Abbott has had a mildly sucessful MMA career speaks volumes to me. If a brawler with actual boxing ability can survive I fail to see why people think top boxers wouldn't be able to.

As you said about Tank "mildly sucessful". Tanks never been more then a personality in the sport, he's never won any titles. If he fought any of the big names in the sport, odd's are he'd get beat easily.

If you wanna see one of the greatest boxers ever fight a wrestler, then you have to look no further then Antonio Inoki Vs Muhammad Ali. Inoki nutralized Ali's punching by laying on his back the whole match kicking at Ali, who was more then frustrated. A boxer is limited in the sense he has to win by KO. A MMA fighter can win by K.O, tap out or chokeout.

Straight up stand up fight-Boxer

MMA fight-I give the MMA fighter a 70-30 chance at winning only due to the fact he could get hit with a lucky punch and get Ko'ed

[JayP]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

As you said about Tank "mildly sucessful". Tanks never been more then a personality in the sport, he's never won any titles. If he fought any of the big names in the sport, odd's are he'd get beat easily.

My point was that if someone can have an MMA career (albeit not a great one) by being a street brawler with no technical ability, why is it so hard to think that a boxer couldn't be more sucessful?

They might not be able to hit as hard as Tank (although a lot of boxers probably would simply because of hand speed), but they'd be miles quicker in their delivery and more accurate. Boxers need would need only one good punch to end the match and MMA fights provide a TON more opportunities for that punch than boxing matches. Plus, they'd be a hell of a lot quicker and probably some of the best at dodging attacks in the sport.

[icecube]

Tank Abbot is garbage though. His record is 9-13 with most of his wins coming over ten years ago when the sport was still in its infancy. Back then most of those guys weren't so well rounded. For example Dan Severn was a pure wrestler, Royce Gracie was a grappler, Tank Abbot a striker. The guys nowadays are pretty good in every area. You have to be or you'll get messed up.

[burnin_vernon]

The fact that someone like Tank Abbott has had a mildly sucessful MMA career speaks volumes to me. If a brawler with actual boxing ability can survive I fail to see why people think top boxers wouldn't be able to

His mild (putting it generously, imo) success came years ago, before the sport had evolved to the quality it has now, and where a pit fighter could have some success. His opposition was very weak, he had no ground game, and his cardio was pathetic. If he didn't land a lucky (albeit devestating) punch in the first round, he was done. In fact, I don't think I ever saw him in a fight that lasted past the 1st. He was an embarassment to the sport and to associate MMA with Tank is just down right wrong. The only good he did was sell more tickets to a then mostly, uneducated audience.

Phew, I forgot how much I disliked that guy.

That being said, any MMA worth his salt would be able to shoot successfully against a boxer. Any damage the boxer could inflict during the takedown would be absorbed if not avoided and they would be in a world of hurt in a matter of minutes.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

As you said about Tank "mildly sucessful". Tanks never been more then a personality in the sport, he's never won any titles. If he fought any of the big names in the sport, odd's are he'd get beat easily.

If you wanna see one of the greatest boxers ever fight a wrestler, then you have to look no further then Antonio Inoki Vs Muhammad Ali. Inoki nutralized Ali's punching by laying on his back the whole match kicking at Ali, who was more then frustrated. A boxer is limited in the sense he has to win by KO. A MMA fighter can win by K.O, tap out or chokeout.

Straight up stand up fight-Boxer

MMA fight-I give the MMA fighter a 70-30 chance at winning only due to the fact he could get hit with a lucky punch and get Ko'ed

I'm a boxing fan and have watched only a couple mma ppv's. Now granted the mma would probably adapt to the style the boxer fought and not go for anything big against a boxer, but watching the fights i've seen many opportunities for a boxer to have a knockout blow.

And whoever brought up Inoki I guess yeah they can counteract the boxer by resulting to the fighting style that I resorted to when my older bros. use to beat me up when i was a kid. If I was a judge I would never award the fight to that pansy. I thought MMA was supposed to be exciting.

Anyways who cares in all reality like the sport you like. It will never happen because boxers make too much money per match to risk their health against a MMA fighter.

[icecube]

I'd take BJ Penn,Georges St. Pierre or Josh Koscheck over Mayweather in an MMA fight without thinking twice. In a boxing match i'm sure he'd mop the floor with them though.

[llama64]

Yeah, but who would win between the Death Star and the Enterprise?

... Oh, right. Nerd thread is over there --> Sorry!

[icecube]

Originally Posted by llama64

Yeah, but who would win between the Death Star and the Enterprise?

... Oh, right. Nerd thread is over there --> Sorry!

Duuh. The Death Star would win. I've never heard of the enterprise destroying an entire planet.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by llama64

Yeah, but who would win between the Death Star and the Enterprise?

... Oh, right. Nerd thread is over there --> Sorry!

What do you mean they blew up the death star?

%*$@!

Who's they?

What the hell is an aluminum falcon?

OH OH I'm sorry I thought my dark lord of the Sith underworld could protect a small thermal exhaust port that is only 2 metres wide.

That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet.

/robot chicken