Speeding? Ontario has an answer

[halibut]

Personally I love the looks of a done up car. In a lot of ways it is like a nice piece of artwork. I disagree with the crushing of these cars but instead the removal of the portions of the car that are aftermarket components and they could be uninstalled at a cost to the vehicle owner. This may deter enough individuals from doing street racing.

I agree with Burninator about the comments that you can't prosicute without proof of wrongdoing.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by arsenal

Why? Just because someone wants to own a Pit Bull, doesn't automatically make it bad dog. It's the owner that makes it bad dog. Hell, you could make a Chitzu an attack dog.
It's not the dog, it's the owner.

It's a matter of the government "Protecting us from ourselves" because we obviously aren't able to.
Or the over-protective parent that doesn't allow their child to experience anything in life, becuase they "might" get hurt.

Except that Pitbulls have been bread as fighting dogs for a long time now. Its part of their make-up. Maybe Pitbulls have gotten a bit of a bum rap because 75% of Pitbull owners seem to be white trash.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Except that Pitbulls have been bread as fighting dogs for a long time now. Its part of their make-up. Maybe Pitbulls have gotten a bit of a bum rap because 75% of Pitbull owners seem to be white trash.

Maybe so, but it's all in how to train the dog, and if you have control over it.
Rotties and Dobermans can be just as mean as pitbulls.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by halibut

Personally I love the looks of a done up car. In a lot of ways it is like a nice piece of artwork. I disagree with the crushing of these cars but instead the removal of the portions of the car that are aftermarket components and they could be uninstalled at a cost to the vehicle owner. This may deter enough individuals from doing street racing.

I agree with Burninator about the comments that you can't prosicute without proof of wrongdoing.

I agree with you on a nicely done up car. It's nice to look at. People spend many hours in there car I don't see why it is so unreasonable and a total waste of money to make it appeal to you. I could think it's a total waste of money for others to spend money on their garden or decorate their house with expensive decor or spending $700 on a purse or designer clothes. Some of those I don't see the need, but if you don't see the need for me to spend money on my car doesn't mean it's ridiculous.

[Locke]

I have to weigh in on this, as my summer Daily Driver is a 430hp '88 Mustang.

You can be 50 feet away from it and hear that it is a modified car. Is it meant for racing? Damn right it is. And its done lots of it. I go down to the Lethbridge Streetwheelers Weekend every year (www.streetwheelers.com). How does that give some cop the right to crush it for his own jollies? Because it 'might' be dangerous?

Smoking will kill you. So if you smoke, why dont we just cut the crap and kill you right now. Save a lot of time.

I agree with an earlier post, how is this even legal? If they crushed my car under this law when no crime has been committed I would have to take them to court over it, theres no option. This infinges upon our rights as citizens, as we would not be given our due process of law.

This is however, a very similar to a law in California (the law which this was likely modeled after) where the Police have the right to crush a car if it is: A) Caught Street Racing or B) Caught Running from Police.

See, a crime has been committed and a punishment is designated. No Problem. The Police arent paid or trained to pursue pre-emptive strikes.

I understand that this law is designed to operate by instilling the fear of having your car crushed, but thats not the way this works.

Laws are in place so that there is a well establied consequence for any given action. What that means, is that laws are designed to reduce if not eliminate ambiguity, this law does the opposite with its vague terms and broad powers granted.

Locke.

[Eddie Bronze]

Guys, I might have some interesting information for you all if this is something you haven't looked into yet. I am also interested in doing some aftermarket modifications to my car. First, realize that I am not a racer. I have one speeding ticket in my life and that was 5 years ago. With the car I have now, I'm not really interested in doing performance enhancements, but I would love to do some aesthetic upgrades. So out of curiosity I contacted my insurance company and also had my sister look into this since she is an insurance agent.

I was told that there are four conditions and if you break 2 or more of them, they will not write your vehicle. Ground clearance, tire circumference, engine replacement or modifications, and there was another one she mentioned that had something to do with interior (rollover?). Can't remember the word she used but I have no plans to do interior mods so I wasn't paying attention to that part. The one exception is if you replaced the stock tires with winter tires. You are allowed to put winter tires on that effect the circumference.

But anyhow, the two things I really wanted to do were included. So if I put lowering springs on my car that would effect ground clearance, then I have to make sure any combination of wheels and tires I put on there are the same circumference as the ones on there now. So the way I look at it is that this is just another example of how the bad seeds in our society ruin it for everyone else!

I have found a few flaws with their ruling though and I haven't had a chance to contact them about it since, but even the car I have could have been purchased with a package that would have seen me buy it with different sized wheels. So if the dealer can sell it to you that way, why can't I just do it myself? I know the insurance companies are just covering their ass with rules like this, but I think they are way out of line in how they lump everyone together when it should come down to the individual.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Eddie Bronze

I was told that there are four conditions and if you break 2 or more of them, they will not write your vehicle. Ground clearance, tire circumference, engine replacement or modifications, and there was another one she mentioned that had something to do with interior (rollover?). Can't remember the word she used but I have no plans to do interior mods so I wasn't paying attention to that part. The one exception is if you replaced the stock tires with winter tires. You are allowed to put winter tires on that effect the circumference.

You just have to inquire after an insurance broker to find a company that insures that modification.

Like I said, I drive a heavily modified car, I was upfront and honest with my insurance broker about the modifications. My original insurance company said, "if you get into an accident and we determine that your vehicle was modified, your insurance is null and void."

Well, I dont pay outrageous premiums just to have legal insurance, I want it to actually count for something, like, oh, I dont know, accidents.

Locke.