Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[chemgear]

NDP official opposition?

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-polit...a-september-2/

Abacus Data Poll: NDP passes Liberals outside of Quebec; Conservatives lead by 22.

Demographically, the Conservatives continue to lead among all age groups and among both men and women.

[Winsor_Pilates]

That seems to be the NDP gameplan now.
Distance themselves from the Liberals but don't trigger an election until they're strong enough to take over more Liberal votes.
Maybe get to an NDP led coalition government with the Liberals?
That would make a lot of CP happy and really suck for conservatives.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

That seems to be the NDP gameplan now.
Distance themselves from the Liberals but don't trigger an election until they're strong enough to take over more Liberal votes.
Maybe get to an NDP led coalition government with the Liberals?
That would make a lot of CP happy and really suck for conservatives.

Gotta laugh at the Liberal's own hubris coming back to bite them in the ass again. Had they not overpromised and under-delivered on proportional representation, they'd at least have a seat at the table if/when they get demolished next year.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Gotta laugh at the Liberal's own hubris coming back to bite them in the ass again. Had they not overpromised and under-delivered on proportional representation, they'd at least have a seat at the table if/when they get demolished next year.

It'd be funny if they put that forward now.

Cynical AF, but funny.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It'd be funny if they put that forward now.

Cynical AF, but funny.

I’d take it. It was one of their earliest and most frustrating broken promises. Squeeze it in now, why not?

[Ozy_Flame]

If they squeezed in electoral reform, I wouldn't put it past the Bloc and the NDP to support it. Quebec would likely maintain or squeeze out more seats in Parliament from that change, and the NDP have been vocal on their support for PR.

This would also have the effect (positive one, I think) of enabling more coalition-led governments, forcing them to work together. At least in theory.

Better late than never!

[Fuzz]

I'd totally buy a ticket for that ride, if only to watch PP's head explode daily. Actually, that'd be a fun rumour to spread around the idiot-o-verse until it hits his feed. The reaction would be incredible.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

If they squeezed in electoral reform, I wouldn't put it past the Bloc and the NDP to support it. Quebec would likely maintain or squeeze out more seats in Parliament from that change, and the NDP have been vocal on their support for PR.

This would also have the effect (positive one, I think) of enabling more coalition-led governments, forcing them to work together. At least in theory.

Better late than never!

I'm not a huge fan of PR as the solution to Canada's issues, I think PR without other changes is a long term recipe for political stagnation ala the US, which will lead to a more disenfranchised populace. But I do think a very weak CP minority is the best case scenario for Canada right now, and PR could probably lead to that. You'd watch them lose ~13 seats in Alberta alone.

Before proportional representation, Personally I'd like to see a nationally elected GG who has more of a mandate to act as the head of state especially in international terms, I would like to see the PM freed up to focus more legislatively with less pomp and circumstance to the role, and I'd like to see a one term (maybe like 6-10 years) Senate by sortation. Where applicants are drawn randomly instead of selected, and I'd like to see both of those to have the actually political credibility to kick things back to the house and demand a super majority on any non-budgetary legislation. I think having these two options offers the check a narrowly elected government with extreme policies, while still leaving the FPP governments in that are able to get stuff done.

But I don't think something like that is anywhere on the agenda, so PR might be the way things are headed.

[Ozy_Flame]

I don't agree with an elected GG. That's a symbolic role, PM and MFA should be in front of those conversations, no need for redundancy. Everything else seems reasonable, especially the randomly-picked Senate seats gone into a pool of pre-approved nominations. If for no other reason than to kill the horribly awkward attempts by Alberta political nerds to 'elect' their Senators. Yeesh.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

That seems to be the NDP gameplan now.
Distance themselves from the Liberals but don't trigger an election until they're strong enough to take over more Liberal votes.
Maybe get to an NDP led coalition government with the Liberals?
That would make a lot of CP happy and really suck for conservatives.

You think it would make the CP brain trust happy to have a Singh led government? I kind of doubt that, in terms of political effectiveness you're moving straight to a crappier Trudeau. I also am not sure that Canadians generally understand enough about parliamentary governments to accept a second place party forming government.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by #-3

You think it would make the CP brain trust happy to have a Singh led government? I kind of doubt that, in terms of political effectiveness you're moving straight to a crappier Trudeau.

Don’t you know that because 10 or so out of the hundreds of posters on this site challenge certain rhetoric from elected officials and the few conservative posters who to their credit at least share and try to defend their own views here that CP has been declared an anti-conservative environmentally friendly communist wasteland?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Don’t you know that because 10 or so out of the hundreds of posters on this site challenge certain rhetoric from elected officials and the few conservative posters who to their credit at least share and try to defend their own views here that CP has been declared an anti-conservative environmentally friendly communist wasteland?

Whoa...slow your roll there...I dont think anyone said 'wasteland.'

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by #-3

You think it would make the CP brain trust happy to have a Singh led government? I kind of doubt that, in terms of political effectiveness you're moving straight to a crappier Trudeau. I also am not sure that Canadians generally understand enough about parliamentary governments to accept a second place party forming government.

It was a comment in jest about a potential situation that's incredibly unlikely; it's not that deep.
Yes, I do think many posters in CP's political forums would be happy if Singh became PM over Poilievre and the Conservatives got screwed.
I didn't actually mean every member of CP if you want to pick through my post.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The Bloc has two demands of the government or they claim that they will take them down if not met by the end of October:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/blo...ions-1.7333559

Sounds like the Bloc is going to have to vote non confidence in the immediate future because the Liberals will not support their motion on old age security.

Liberal MPs announced they will vote against a Bloc Québécois motion on seniors benefits Wednesday, saying it would set a terrible precedent to approve a private members bill that would authorize more than $16-billion in new spending.
Bloc Leader Yves-François Blanchet announced last week that unless a Bloc bill on seniors benefits and another bill related to supply management that is currently before the Senate are passed into law by Oct. 29, his party will be prepared to vote in favour of any non-confidence motion and trigger a federal election before the end of the year.
Bloc and NDP rebuff Conservatives’ attempt to bring down minority Liberal government
Mr. Blanchet has said on several occasions that he is not open to negotiation on seniors benefits, even as Liberals say they are willing to discuss alternatives.
“There’s nothing to negotiate,” he said Tuesday. “You do this before Oct. 29 or we negotiate with other opposition parties to have the government fall.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...iors-benefits/

[Geraldsh]

The liberals are sending 5 years worth of carbon tax rebates to small businesses; that should buy a few votes.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

The liberals are sending 5 years worth of carbon tax rebates to small businesses; that should buy a few votes.

How do I get in on these sweet, sweet, rebates

[Ozy_Flame]

#### yeah, thank you Liberals

[SebC]

As neither a senior nor a dairy farmer, screw Blanchet and screw Trudeau for even entertaining these suggestions. I much prefer the NDP.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by SebC

As neither a senior nor a dairy farmer, screw Blanchet and screw Trudeau for even entertaining these suggestions. I much prefer the NDP.

The NDP just voted for the motion to spend $3-4B more a year to increase OAS payments. The Liberals were the only party that actually voted against it.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by opendoor

The NDP just voted for the motion to spend $3-4B more a year to increase OAS payments. The Liberals were the only party that actually voted against it.

It passed then?