Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Israeli strikes blasted a huge crater in a designated safe zone in southern Gaza before dawn on Tuesday, setting tents ablaze and burying Palestinian families under sand.

One of Raed Abu Muammar's daughters had been killed. His wife and his other daughter had been buried but were pulled out alive. He carried the surviving baby girl.


"I was under the sand as well. I got out and started looking for my daughters and my wife. I saw body parts of the neighbours in my tent — I did not know those were our neighbours' parts until I saw my family in one piece."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/airstr...318444?cmp=rss

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, considering my “comments” were questions on what you think of the views and actions of Israeli hostages, their families, and Israeli protestors, I guess we’ll take it as you “not giving a #### about them or their mental gymnastics.”

Is there anyone you won’t pretend to care about and turn around and trash when they don’t fit your narrative?

I think they are a bunch of people with completely different motivations that shape their actions and opinions. Got any more dumb questions? Are you pretending to give a #### about Israelis now after spending the last year excusing Hamas and minimizing rape, murder and genocide?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

I think they are a bunch of people with completely different motivations that shape their actions and opinions. Got any more dumb questions? Are you pretending to give a #### about Israelis now after spending the last year excusing Hamas and minimizing rape, murder and genocide?

And what do you think of their actions and opinions?

Go ahead, be brave.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And what do you think of their actions and opinions?

Go ahead, be brave.

How about you give your opinion on the actions and opinions of the rape victims from oct 7th? You remember those people you think were justly brutalized? Show your bravery like you did in this thread that day.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

How about you give your opinion on the actions and opinions of the rape victims from oct 7th? You remember those people you think were justly brutalized? Show your bravery like you did in this thread that day.

The actions and opinions of the rape victims from Oct 7? I’m not sure what their opinions or actions have been, but I know what they wen’t through is horrific and nothing justifies it, so not sure what you’re talking about. There’s really nothing brave about acknowledging that, you would think if you cared about those victims you would realise that. On Oct 7, as on many days before and since, innocent people became victims in brutal ways because as part of the conflict between Hamas and the Israeli government.

Now, care to share some actual thoughts on the actions and opinions of Israeli hostages, their families, and the hundreds of thousands of protestors standing against the inaction of the Netanyahu government (you know, what we’re actually talking about)? Or… is “they have actions and opinions” as far as your intellect goes?

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

You remember those people you think were justly brutalized?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The actions and opinions of the rape victims from Oct 7? I’m not sure what their opinions or actions have been, but I know what they wen’t through is horrific and nothing justifies it, so not sure what you’re talking about. There’s really nothing brave about acknowledging that, you would think if you cared about those victims you would realise that. On Oct 7, as on many days before and since, innocent people became victims in brutal ways because as part of the conflict between Hamas and the Israeli government.

Now, care to share some actual thoughts on the actions and opinions of Israeli hostages, their families, and the hundreds of thousands of protestors standing against the inaction of the Netanyahu government (you know, what we’re actually talking about)? Or… is “they have actions and opinions” as far as your intellect goes?

Nothing justifies it? But you were so adamant that there was "no side to take", nice to see you've changed your tune. Yup innocent people have suffered since then, that's called war. Instead of demonizing Israel, spreading propaganda and hate you might realize that one day.

Hundreds of thousands of protestors? You mean the ones chasing Jewish people through the streets and attacking Jewish businesses and threatening them across the world? I couldn't care less what those vile brownshirts think.

As for the hostages and the families they have suffered awfully and if they choose to blame Netanyahu so be it. Doesn't really change anything, it doesn't make them correct just because they suffered.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Nothing justifies it? But you were so adamant that there was "no side to take", nice to see you've changed your tune. Yup innocent people have suffered since then, that's called war. Instead of demonizing Israel, spreading propaganda and hate you might realize that one day.

Hundreds of thousands of protestors? You mean the ones chasing Jewish people through the streets and attacking Jewish businesses and threatening them across the world? I couldn't care less what those vile brownshirts think.

As for the hostages and the families they have suffered awfully and if they choose to blame Netanyahu so be it. Doesn't really change anything, it doesn't make them correct just because they suffered.

Actually, I’m referring to the Israelis, many of whom are Jewish, who went on a general strike against the Netanyahu government, and the many Israelis who have engaged in other forms of protest against this government. Last I checked, it’s antisemitic to compare Jewish people to Nazis, so calling Israelis “brown shirts” is something you may want to reconsider.

You don’t feel that hostages and their families are worth listening to or having their opinions considered? They can just be ignored and have their suffering dismissed? That seems pretty gross to me, especially when your only motivation seems to be to protect and defend Netanyahu’s far right government. You’re putting politics ahead of the innocent lives being destroyed.

[Fuzz]

Bibi is using the hostages as justification for the monstrous acts he commits against innocent people every day. You don't think the hostages and families should have a say in what is being done in their name? The ones who still have their loved ones hostage, and worry Bibi's actions are getting them killed? Ever stop to think they might be right and Bibi is wrong?

[Fuzz]

Simulpost! Guess we can't both be the same person. There goes that myth. OR can we????

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Simulpost! Guess we can't both be the same person. There goes that myth. OR can we????

We are Spartacus

[Bagor]

This fits with a lot of the behaviour in this thread. Posters upset that other posters are expressing sympathy for and disgust at the genocide of the civilians of Gaza.

Pity they are didn't have a question asking f someone posts something sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians civilians areas they are by default
a) Pro Hamas
b) A terrorist
c) Antisemitic
d) I'm too upset at how big a victim I am to answer.
e) All of the above

https://twitter.com/user/status/1831699909155655866

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Nothing justifies it? But you were so adamant that there was "no side to take", nice to see you've changed your tune. Yup innocent people have suffered since then, that's called war. Instead of demonizing Israel, spreading propaganda and hate you might realize that one day.

Hundreds of thousands of protestors? You mean the ones chasing Jewish people through the streets and attacking Jewish businesses and threatening them across the world? I couldn't care less what those vile brownshirts think.

As for the hostages and the families they have suffered awfully and if they choose to blame Netanyahu so be it. Doesn't really change anything, it doesn't make them correct just because they suffered.

Can you quote one post where PepsiFree is "spreading hate"? Just a single one is all I'm looking for. And again, criticizing Israel's actions isn't "spreading hate".

But you say this so much, it must be super easy to find a quote.

[activeStick]

So, I'm seeing on the news now that 6 UN aid workers were among the 18 people killed by Israel when they fired at a school in Gaza. Would be nice if the west spoke up here and did something about this disregard being shown by Israel, but I'm not too hopeful.

[Bownesian]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So, I'm seeing on the news now that 6 UN aid workers were among the 18 people killed by Israel when they fired at a school in Gaza. Would be nice if the west spoke up here and did something about this disregard being shown by Israel, but I'm not too hopeful.

Trouble is the above report is from Hamas/UNRWA sources, so anyone Israel-leaning will certainly discount it. Israel has named 9 Hamas operatives among those killed, but given that source, anyone Palestine-leaning will discount that.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...global-outrage

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-sla...ng-un-workers/

My suspicion is both are true - there were Hamas folk in the mix (including individuals who were both UNRWA and Hamas), and there are UNRWA people who may not have been Hamas-affiliated among the dead, and as always, there were civilians.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

Trouble is the above report is from Hamas/UNRWA sources, so anyone Israel-leaning will certainly discount it. Israel has named 9 Hamas operatives among those killed, but given that source, anyone Palestine-leaning will discount that.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...global-outrage



https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-sla...ng-un-workers/



My suspicion is both are true - there were Hamas folk in the mix (including individuals who were both UNRWA and Hamas), and there are UNRWA people who may not have been Hamas-affiliated among the dead, and as always, there were civilians.

That's interesting as I saw it on City News out here in Toronto on their 6pm news show. I believe they're affiliated with West-friendly media and roll up under Bell Media.

[robertsfan]

Israeli settlers in the West Bank poisoned 50 sheep and goats in the the Arab al-Malihat community:

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status...PW0P5yX3muLt6g

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

My suspicion is both are true - there were Hamas folk in the mix (including individuals who were both UNRWA and Hamas), and there are UNRWA people who may not have been Hamas-affiliated among the dead, and as always, there were civilians.

Sounds like your suspicion is to simply believe the IDF statement to the Times of Israel? What evidence makes you suspect the UNRWA victims to be Hamas?

My suspicion is they bombed a load of UNRWA and civilians.

Israel had lots of opportunity to present evidence that UNRWA worker's were Hamas and involved in Oct 07 an failed to produce and all of a sudden we're supposed to believe IDF reported by TOI that some of the UNRWA killed were involved?

[Goriders]

My take on the war

Palestinians provoked Israel
Israel inevitably retaliated
Israel goes to far
Someone will eventually step in and force peace talks
The cycle will start up again

I don’t think there’s a solution towards peace in that region. The hatred is ingrained on both sides. It takes a few generations to get rid of hatred like that. They seem to have flare ups every few years.

It’s a problem that will never be solved in my mind.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by robertsfan

Israeli settlers in the West Bank poisoned 50 sheep and goats in the the Arab al-Malihat community:

https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status...PW0P5yX3muLt6g

Guess it's time to slaughter 1200 Israeli men women and children, seems fair. I mean they do it over supposed "stolen land" so why not?