[Deal] Tesla offering 1.99% financing on a brand new Model Y

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’ve sat in my fair share of Teslas and it is just that inescapable “cheap” feeling that is hard to get over. Aside from the absurd screen, everything feels like it’s a part of a cheap toy. The feel and look of the materials, the design of the interior (and exterior), and the sound everything makes… it all reads “cheap.”

When Kia and Hyundai feel like luxury vehicles in comparison there’s probably an issue worth addressing.

The phrase you're looking for is "they feel like budget fleet rentals"

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A lot of questionable views in here …

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Tesla builds a very good vehicle …

You’re telling us!

The nicest thing one can say about Tesla’s build quality is that they at least used the “good” papier-mâché. But seriously, their build quality is really not good. Yes, they’ve pushed automakers to actually “try” to build good EVs, and yes the technology underpinning the cars has its merits and advantages, but building cars like a tech company has its drawbacks.

[Fuzz]

Spoiler!

https://insideevs.com/news/731559/te...ed-car-brands/

When you hang around Ram, Jeep, Dodge, and Chrysler on the reliability rankings, you know you are doing something really right.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Spoiler!

https://insideevs.com/news/731559/te...ed-car-brands/

When you hang around Ram, Jeep, Dodge, and Chrysler on the reliability rankings, you know you are doing something really right.

Wow, hadn't looked at this list for a few years. Ram is kind of polarizing apparently, but no good news for Tesla.

[Fuzz]

Your chart is also initial quality, this one was 5-10 year reliability. Do not buy a used Tesla, apparently.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Your chart is also initial quality, this one was 5-10 year reliability. Do not buy a used Tesla, apparently.

Or a new one!

[D as in David]

Tesla's really bad in those surveys when you consider there's fewer things to go wrong on an EV.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Tesla's really bad in those surveys when you consider there's fewer things to go wrong on an EV.

In fairness on the initial quality survey, all the EV-only manufacturers scored very poorly. But when you couple that with the one Fuzz posted, and having been a passenger in a Tesla far too many times, I completely agree with the evaluation.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A lot of questionable views in here because Musk is a ######bag. Tesla builds a very good vehicle that employs some really good technology.

Anyone taking interior design cues from a Toyota Echo doesn't build "very good vehicles". I will never drive anything where I have to look away from the road to the middle of the dash to check my speed:

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Anyone taking interior design cues from a Toyota Echo doesn't build "very good vehicles". I will never drive anything where I have to look away from the road to the middle of the dash to check my speed:

Not sure it makes a difference as that's all a preference. I'm in that same vein and don't like that aspect of the experience, but it is something you get used to, just like all controls on different cars. It's like complaining about how certain controls are in the center console on one vehicle and elsewhere on others. I listened to my wife whine about the drive selector being on a steering wheel yoke in her Mercedes rather than the center console of other cars we've owned. She got used to it and doesn't bitch and complain any more. If that is a deal breaker for you, there are other vehicles out there that you can buy. Just like if you don't EVs, there are lots of other choices out there for you to buy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not sure it makes a difference as that's all a preference. I'm in that same vein and don't like that aspect of the experience, but it is something you get used to, just like all controls on different cars. It's like complaining about how certain controls are in the center console on one vehicle and elsewhere on others. I listened to my wife whine about the drive selector being on a steering wheel yoke in her Mercedes rather than the center console of other cars we've owned. She got used to it and doesn't bitch and complain any more. If that is a deal breaker for you, there are other vehicles out there that you can buy. Just like if you don't EVs, there are lots of other choices out there for you to buy.

There is a difference between a design choice and something that is objectively worse from a drive attentiveness standpoint. By looking to the middle you lose your left peripheral vision for the instants you are looking. It’s bad ergonomic design rather than a preference.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Spoiler!

https://insideevs.com/news/731559/te...ed-car-brands/

When you hang around Ram, Jeep, Dodge, and Chrysler on the reliability rankings, you know you are doing something really right.

I have a ram with 400k and 16 years on it. GL getting that out of your Tesla

[opendoor]

Personally I like how you have to swipe on a touch screen to shift between Park, Drive, and Reverse. Very intuitive and ergonomic, and it must be amazing doing multi-point turns in tight spaces while having to stop each direction change to swipe on a screen.

[Delthefunky]

Is PHEV the way hybrids are going?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I'm electric car curious, but 100% won't be buying a Tesla.

Elon Musk purchased Twitter to support Trump, and will certainly use it as a tool in November to try to overturn the US election.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not sure it makes a difference as that's all a preference.

That is absolutely not a preference. That is cheaping out, and objectively a worse setup. In the case of the Echo it was to make it very easy to manufacture LHD and RHD variants. For the Tesla, I'm not sure if it's that or not wanting to spring for another screen.

The lack of physical controls for ANYTHING also make it inherently worse to drive and less safe. Dicking around with your touch screen trying to find the heated seats in some menu on a bumpy road is not a good time compared to feeling for the button that was in the exact same spot you left it last time you drove.

The "yoke" is a horrendous idea. As is having laggy steer by wire. Their motor and battery technologies are great, but they are not a serious car company. The same decision making that led renaming Twitter to "X" and making blue checks for sale is quite apparent in many aspects of their cars.

It's a shame, as the original Roadster and Model S were amazing machines, albeit with some excusable kinks to be worked out given how fresh the platforms and tech were.

[Fuzz]

Their motors and batteries aren't even all that special anymore. Their battery cells are all 3rd party(anyone can get those), other than the one they developed themselves which has been a total dud.

[OldDutch]

I actually don’t get Elon (being serious). On one hand the Dems have shown way more backbone to reign in AI, which Big Tech hates. See Zucks latest. Silicon Valley loves Trump because he could care less about regulations.

Here I thought Elon was scared of AI. Yet he bought twitter to suck up to him? Its all just bizarre. I think I need someone smarter than me to explain the gymnastics he is doing. Or maybe he’s just crazy.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

That is absolutely not a preference. That is cheaping out, and objectively a worse setup.

That's your opinion. If it were such a big deal and customers complained about it, I'm sure Tesla would have made changes for a traditional instrumentation console. But with 4 million units sold globally it must not be that big a deal. It must also have a lot in the auto industry taking note since the center console with tablet-like displays has become pretty much a standard for interiors. Like it or not but Tesla has driven innovation other car manufacturers have had to chase. Dunk of Musk being a ######bag, but he changed the industry and has a massively popular product that people like.

[BigThief]

Tesla model Y's, S's at least looked nice from an exterior point of view. Nice clean simple design, very sleek and despite the simplicity stood out. I've always hated the massive screen, I like buttons, they're functional and quick, but at least they had a normal f'n steering wheel. They absolutely lost the plot with the Cybertruck and that yoke steering wheel comes across as dangerous and just looks dumb.

Cars need quick physical knobs and buttons directly in your view. Tesla cars are going backwards.