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Old 07-31-2024, 12:10 PM   #4781
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Take a discount so you can play more games for us for free and make Katz more money! Who could resist?
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Old 07-31-2024, 12:14 PM   #4782
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Love it.

I don't buy for 1 second that "negotiations haven't started yet". That'd be ridiculous.

So I take it, negotiations aren't going well from the Oilers perspective if they've taken to pretending negotiations haven't begun.
They just hired their GM. No way was Katz letting Holland negotiate anything knowing he wasn't returning. There wasn't any point in Jackson not waiting for Holland's replacement to do negotiations.

Oh wait...that's all logical and this is Edmonton we're talking about. Nevermind.
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Old 07-31-2024, 12:16 PM   #4783
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The deal was done during the Finals remember.
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Old 07-31-2024, 12:22 PM   #4784
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Oilers fan I know says there's no way he doesn't re-sign in Edmonton because he "only wants to play with Connor" and he'll obviously take the deal offered by the "cup favorites" over anyone else anyway.

But he did agree it likely won't be for less than $13mil/yr so I suppose he's at least partially grounded in reality.
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Old 07-31-2024, 12:32 PM   #4785
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Oilers fan I know says there's no way he doesn't re-sign in Edmonton because he "only wants to play with Connor" and he'll obviously take the deal offered by the "cup favorites" over anyone else anyway.

But he did agree it likely won't be for less than $13mil/yr so I suppose he's at least partially grounded in reality.
Yeah I can't envision a scenario where it comes in under $13m. And I think it's closer to $14m aav. I think there's enough smoke to this and telegraphs from Stauffer that this will likely get done by training camp, but until they have a signed deal, there's no deal. Anyone claiming it's confirmed, as good as done, verified, etc. is just dreaming in technicolour or trying desperately to be first. IMO.
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Old 07-31-2024, 01:56 PM   #4786
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I don't think Bob really knows anything nor does anyone in the Oilers building. Tkachuk told Treliving exactly what he wanted to hear right up to the point they actually started real negotiations. That's when you find out what the player really wants.
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End of August in his own words below. Certainly doesn't sound like a scenario where any discounts will be entertained. All business.





Agents typically don't like to make fools of themselves and backtrack on statements. This is their plan. The Draisaitl camp put a line in the sand and I highly doubt they waiver. Like the agent said; "Leon holds all the trump cards".
Thanks. That's what I was remembering but obviously I remembered wrong - thought beginning of August. I agree, Draisailt will get what he wants. He may have to play with Connor. But he's still half the team's offence and their only real shot at having two lines. And if he doesn't sign does Connor have any interest in flying solo again?

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Old 07-31-2024, 02:52 PM   #4788
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Oilers fan I know says there's no way he doesn't re-sign in Edmonton because he "only wants to play with Connor" and he'll obviously take the deal offered by the "cup favorites" over anyone else anyway.

But he did agree it likely won't be for less than $13mil/yr so I suppose he's at least partially grounded in reality.
Maybe he does only want to play with McDavid. His contract is up a year later though as well. Who knows what they have been talking about behind the scenes. If McDavid has expressed to Draisaitl that he is non-committed to the Oilers past this contract, Draisaitl would likely just bolt too. Or maybe sign a one-year deal so they can walk away together (or hold hands and skip).

A one-year deal would be really inadvisable due to the financial risk, but I guess anything is possible.
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Also, Draisaitl probably feels like was underpaid on his last deal.
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Also, Draisaitl probably feels like was underpaid on his last deal.
Pretty well confirmed by his agent.

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As his European agent Jiri Poner said to Eishockey News, "(Draisaitl) has been playing at least 30 percent below his value for three years."
There will be no discount as they are probably looking to make up for lost millions.
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I find it really hard to believe that the Oilers haven't at least been trying to initiate negotiations by now. It should be their #1 priority. If they haven't begun yet, that is probably from Draisaitl's camp. He's got everything to gain by dragging it out.

maybe leon forgot his skype password?
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Old 07-31-2024, 03:35 PM   #4792
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Some quick napkin math to see what Drysaddle should demand in Shelbyville. McDavid was in on 45% of Oiler goals. He should demand the max, or 20%. Drysaddle was in on 36% of Oiler goals. If paid on the equivalent percentage, Pissy is worth 16% of the cap. On an $88M cap, that would be $14.08M per season, likely at eight seasons. McDufus will demand $17.6 at minimum, depending on the cap. The Oilers will have to spend 36% on those two. Yowza!
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Some quick napkin math to see what Drysaddle should demand in Shelbyville. McDavid was in on 45% of Oiler goals. He should demand the max, or 20%. Drysaddle was in on 36% of Oiler goals. If paid on the equivalent percentage, Pissy is worth 16% of the cap. On an $88M cap, that would be $14.08M per season, likely at eight seasons. McDufus will demand $17.6 at minimum, depending on the cap. The Oilers will have to spend 36% on those two. Yowza!
It's actually Huzzah!

If his agent is saying 30% under paid that brings him to 11.05M that is to recoup the value of the last 3 years, plus the expected raise which would probably be in 3-4 million range.

He should be looking at 15M. Connor would be an idiot not take the 20% max, and I bet the PA is going to push for it. No player has ever gotten it.

With all the talk about the huge salaries of other sport stars compared to the NHL, I think they will want to start being in that conversation.
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He was probably overpaid in year one of that contract, then worth the contract the next 2 years, then underpaid the last 3 seasons (like his agent said), and will in all likelihood out perform the contract again next season. In totality, he out performed the total dollar value by a fair amount.
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It's actually Huzzah!

If his agent is saying 30% under paid that brings him to 11.05M that is to recoup the value of the last 3 years, plus the expected raise which would probably be in 3-4 million range.

He should be looking at 15M. Connor would be an idiot not take the 20% max, and I bet the PA is going to push for it. No player has ever gotten it.

With all the talk about the huge salaries of other sport stars compared to the NHL, I think they will want to start being in that conversation.
Players also know there's little chance to have a cup winning team without giving a little discount, McDufas asking for $18m will mean he cares nothing about winning.
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It's actually Huzzah!

If his agent is saying 30% under paid that brings him to 11.05M that is to recoup the value of the last 3 years, plus the expected raise which would probably be in 3-4 million range.

He should be looking at 15M. Connor would be an idiot not take the 20% max, and I bet the PA is going to push for it. No player has ever gotten it.

With all the talk about the huge salaries of other sport stars compared to the NHL, I think they will want to start being in that conversation.
Why would the PA care if he gets the max or not? The total amount of money going to the players will be the same either way.
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Why would the PA care if he gets the max or not? The total amount of money going to the players will be the same either way.
Yeah, I've always thought that was a dumb argument.
If the PA is doing their job, then they should be telling folks like McDavid to take less, not more.
McDavid taking less means more $ for everyone else, the PA pushing him to take the max, is effectively taking money from the other 600+ members.
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Sorry don't know how to double quote.

1. No many players take a discount. I listed some names. Even on teams like Tampa they are taking big contracts. Colorado they loved Kadri, but MacKinnon took the money.

2. Alan Walsh whines about avg players salaries being so low in the NHL. The NBA is a poor example because its 12 man rosters, but I think they will push for guys to take more money the higher end players.
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Yeah, I've always thought that was a dumb argument.
If the PA is doing their job, then they should be telling folks like McDavid to take less, not more.
McDavid taking less means more $ for everyone else, the PA pushing him to take the max, is effectively taking money from the other 600+ members.
When has the PA actually cared about the players?

I highly doubt they care about the 4th liners getting paid much.
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