Canmore population to double? Legal battle?

[Fuzz]

Nice. You are still wrong.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nice. You are still wrong.

Imma ebike around looking for a dude walking his cat on a leash. Then I'll shake your hand and we can grab a beer and not talk about how we disagree on Canmore hah.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Imma ebike around looking for a dude walking his cat on a leash. Then I'll shake your hand and we can grab a beer and not talk about how we disagree on Canmore hah.

Deal, but we don't make it far from the house! I'll meet you at the old water teeter totter, if you can find it.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nice. You are still wrong.

I think Sliver was dead on about the anti-pathway people. A perfect NIMBY example.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I think Sliver was dead on about the anti-pathway people. A perfect NIMBY example.

There are good reasons to want them not paved though. The one behind my dad's place is gravel, and in the winter that makes it so much better for walking. It also floods about once a decade, and it's basically never needed repairs or rehabilitation because it was built so well, and that was, oh, 30 years ago. You don't have to pave everything.

[Sliver]

Not to belittle you or anything, Fuzz, but this is what I'm talking about guys. Try to pave a path and locals don't like it. They want nothing new. No improvements. Always a reason why change = bad. Anywhere else a paved path is an improvement, right? Not there, man. They'll make signs, they'll protest...it's madness.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Not to belittle you or anything, Fuzz, but this is what I'm talking about guys. Try to pave a path and locals don't like it. They want nothing new. No improvements. Always a reason why change = bad. Anywhere else a paved path is an improvement, right? Not there, man. They'll make signs, they'll protest...it's madness.

Not really. Many areas are more well suited to gravel or natural earth. Like your favourite place, Nose Hill! Seriously though, not every path needs to be paved, or is better for it. Not every improvement is actually an improvement. Was putting a golf course where people used to bike and hike an improvement? Not for people who don't like golfing. I'm not sure why you find it so hard to see why some changes have strong negative effects on those that used to be able to use the areas, and now can't. It seems pretty logical to me.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not really. Many areas are more well suited to gravel or natural earth. Like your favourite place, Nose Hill! Seriously though, not every path needs to be paved, or is better for it. Not every improvement is actually an improvement. Was putting a golf course where people used to bike and hike an improvement? Not for people who don't like golfing. I'm not sure why you find it so hard to see why some changes have strong negative effects on those that used to be able to use the areas, and now can't. It seems pretty logical to me.

I know not every path needs to be paved, but the main artery from Stuart Creek area to downtown does. That's all it is. We use that path every single time we're in Canmore and I see old and young on there. Not going to lie and say I've seen people in wheelchairs or anything, but I know of one guy who did it on a mobility scooter . It's great that it's more accessible now and it wasn't "paving paradise". It was this miniscule little strip where there was already a path.

Contrary to your opinion, it's safer in the winter now, too, because it can be plowed. When you plow/sweep gravel paths you just ruin the path. Pavement can be maintained year round.

It's just such a basic improvement but caused so much vitriol from residents. They get mad at everything. I just love that progress keeps happening. It's The Office gif of Michael closing the door as the old guy is still talking. Old Canmore people are just yapping away while the rest of us are trying to get things done.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nice. You are still wrong.

There are multiple things here.

Canmorons and Banffites live in an absurd bubble and have collectively achieved an incredibly toxic attitude. Certainly not all of them, and this is true of nearly all resort towns, but ho-lee #### is it mind numbing to read some of the discussion in the Rocky Mountain Outlook.

OTOH the development question is a really complex matter with no correct answer. I lean to the anti-development or at least uber-cautious-development side of things, but most of the arguments from townies make my eyes hurt because they aren't supposed to roll that far.

[Fuzz]

But "get stuff done" is doing what I've already mentioned, removing those opportunities from those who have lived there for decades. I'm sure you'd be kinda pissed if Lake Bonnavista turned into the city's only off leash dog community and dog swimming lake, open to everyone in the city. Would you shut up and deal with it, or maybe be kinda grumpy?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There are multiple things here.

Canmorons and Banffites live in an absurd bubble and have collectively achieved an incredibly toxic attitude. Certainly not all of them, and this is true of nearly all resort towns, but ho-lee #### is it mind numbing to read some of the discussion in the Rocky Mountain Outlook.

OTOH the development question is a really complex matter with no correct answer. I lean to the anti-development or at least uber-cautious-development side of things, but most of the arguments from townies make my eyes hurt because they aren't supposed to roll that far.

In fairness, those are the same types of people who'd write into the Calgary Sun, or to the Library complaint board. They are a tiny minority, and don't discount the legitimate issues that development has brought.

[Johnny Makarov]

We are listing our Canmore condo for sale next week. Last few sales have been more than asking. I wonder if this Jasper thing might change things.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

But "get stuff done" is doing what I've already mentioned, removing those opportunities from those who have lived there for decades. I'm sure you'd be kinda pissed if Lake Bonnavista turned into the city's only off leash dog community and dog swimming lake, open to everyone in the city. Would you shut up and deal with it, or maybe be kinda grumpy?

I'd shut up and deal with it like I have.

You don't think those of us born and raised here don't look back at all the things that were better years ago? You moved here from out of town. You contributed to one more guy on the paths, one more guy in a car, one more guy buying a house and inching the cost of real estate a little bit higher. We welcome you. I've always welcomed people. I would never think you don't have a right to an opinion or be contributive in Calgary's evolution just because you weren't born here.

But Canmore residents don't extend that same courtesy to anybody else. A toxic culture of being an entitled a-hole has developed there.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

We are listing our Canmore condo for sale next week. Last few sales have been more than asking. I wonder if this Jasper thing might change things.

I wouldn't worry one bit. People have the memory of gnats when it comes to these disasters. Just look at all the people that didn't move from Discovery Ridge or along the river after the floods in Calgary.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'd shut up and deal with it like I have.

You don't think those of us born and raised here don't look back at all the things that were better years ago? You moved here from out of town. You contributed to one more guy on the paths, one more guy in a car, one more guy buying a house and inching the cost of real estate a little bit higher. We welcome you. I've always welcomed people. I would never think you don't have a right to an opinion or be contributive in Calgary's evolution just because you weren't born here.

But Canmore residents don't extend that same courtesy to anybody else. A toxic culture of being an entitled a-hole has developed there.

I think it's more a case of getting lied to and screwed over by developers for decades, and having absolutely no say in how their community evolves. Eventually you just get sick of it, and don't care about the nuances of discussion, it's just all bad. Human nature. Do you think these people are somehow unique? You get kicked enough times and all the reasons you came to a place get eroded away.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think it's more a case of getting lied to and screwed over by developers for decades, and having absolutely no say in how their community evolves. Eventually you just get sick of it, and don't care about the nuances of discussion, it's just all bad. Human nature. Do you think these people are somehow unique? You get kicked enough times and all the reasons you came to a place get eroded away.

I do think they're unique in that a niche (and toxic) culture hostile to "outsiders" has developed, yes.

You think your average Calgarian has say in how things get developed? Of course not. We're all at the whims of developers and big wigs.

At least in Canmore the development has been nothing short of amazing and beautiful that has done nothing but improve a dumpy little drive-thru town and turn it into a world-class destination.

And locals have made bank. I know life isn't all about the money, but nobody has been swindled out of their homes there, that's for sure. Long-time residents cash out; they don't get pushed out. And if they decide to stay? They get to live in a place rich with amenities and features that the town could not have or sustain without external money. There's no industry there aside from tourism. It'd be a dump without people injecting money all day long there that was not generated within the town.

[powderjunkie]

Here is my half-baked billion(s) dollar plan:

Trunk and tunnel HWY 1 from Benchlands to the visitor centre turnoff. About 2km. Design it to 2-lanes each way, but a speed limit of 70 kph. Because #### you. Slow down, and recalibrate your speed before you enter the park so 90ish feels good.

Ideally you slap the CPR tracks in there, too, and leave the existing track ROW for passenger rail which let's you put in a bunch more ped crossings and removes the drawbacks of heavy rail through town (you know, the hear of town with the big box stores and parking lots!)

In Monaco they spent like 2 Billion euros to get like 6 hectares of land. My idea will reclaim over 30 hectares of land. And selling all of that land should basically pay for the project.

You build another Main Street (mostly car free) with a bunch of medium density housing. Boom. A bunch more development without increasing the footprint by a single inch. Connects both sides of town better, too.

Also, dig up the cemetary and build some #### there. #### dead people.


There's a little more to it than that, but that's the napkin presentation.

[Sliver]

Oh man, graveyards are the dumbest thing ever. Totally time to reclaim that BS waste of space.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

We are listing our Canmore condo for sale next week. Last few sales have been more than asking. I wonder if this Jasper thing might change things.

Probably increases demand. Jack that price up!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Oh man, graveyards are the dumbest thing ever. Totally time to reclaim that BS waste of space.

Preach!!

I’m donating my body to science

I love the idea of being poked and prodded after I’m dead.