Should the Flames offer sheet Dylan Holloway?

[lazypucker]

If Holloway or Broberg is THAT desirable, other teams would have offer sheeted them already

[FlamesAddiction]

Holloway was pretty meh most of last season and seems to be overhyped now because he had 2 goals and an assist in that 8-1 blowout game in the SCFs.

He could still become an effective player, but he is behind where he should be at this point. 89 games is a pretty good sample size and 18 point in that time doesn't inspire confidence. Not enough to offer sheet him and then have to deal with the Oilers inevitable revenge. Definitely not a player worth putting yourself in the crosshairs for.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

If Holloway or Broberg is THAT desirable, other teams would have offer sheeted them already

Which is an issue with the offer sheet system in general. It is just not used to its greatest effect.

This is likely due to a soft league collusion. Cost control is probably the most important factor in the NHL today, and an extensive use of the offer-sheet system would diminish that control.

Spiteful reprisals are another factor.

But the we know that no one will offer sheet these guys, because NHL GMs never* offer sheet RFAs. But that doesnt mean that they shouldnt

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Martin St. Louis had 4 goals in 69 games playing on the Flames 3rd line at age 24. Everyone on Calgary Puck was happy when we let that grinder walk.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

If Holloway or Broberg is THAT desirable, other teams would have offer sheeted them already

If others aren't doing it then I'm not interested. Follow the herd I say!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Martin St. Louis had 4 goals in 69 games playing on the Flames 3rd line at age 24. Everyone on Calgary Puck was happy when we traded that grinder.

The Flames didn't trade St. Louis.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Martin St. Louis had 4 goals in 69 games playing on the Flames 3rd line at age 24. Everyone on Calgary Puck was happy when we traded that grinder.

Connor Sheary had 4 goals for the Penguins when he was 22! Missed out on that St Louis as well.

Colborne and Jankowski had better stats than Holloway has at the same games played

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Which is an issue with the offer sheet system in general. It is just not used to its greatest effect.

I would argue that it is used to its greatest effect – which is not to use it at all.

When you can trade a pick for a player who makes $2 million a year, why would you use that same pick to try to poach an equivalent player and pay him $4 million?

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Connor Sheary had 4 goals for the Penguins when he was 22! Missed out on that St Louis as well.

Colborne and Jankowski had better stats than Holloway has at the same games played

The truth is somewhere in the middle. I'd take Holloway over Coronato. Playing well in the playoffs is worth a lot. If the goal is to improve the team then do it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

None of this makes sense unless Phaneuf_Phan is a family member of Holloway.

The comparison to St. Louis his hilarious.

[shutout]

If you have a potential good trade for Andersson than offer sheet to Broberg makes sense.
Broberg makes way more sense than Holloway.
Broberg on defense where we are lacking in depth and experience.
Holloway with forward group that will be looking for ways to get players into the line up.

Sign Broberg.
Trade Andersson.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I would argue that it is used to its greatest effect – which is not to use it at all.

When you can trade a pick for a player who makes $2 million a year, why would you use that same pick to try to poach an equivalent player and pay him $4 million?

Why do you keep saying this? It has been stated many times that the 2nd round comp window starts at $2.9M. No need whatsoever to offer $4M - complete straw man.

And if you think $2.9M is too much to acquire a good asset, the zero-comp window goes up to $1.5M. But that would be pointless, because it would be immediately matched, and cause little impact to the Oilers.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

The truth is somewhere in the middle. I'd take Holloway over Coronato. Playing well in the playoffs is worth a lot. If the goal is to improve the team then do it.

You just realllllly like Holloway. No way I’d take him over Coronato. I don’t think he even played that well in playoffs. Two of his goals and another point came in the blowout game. Zero points the rest of the last round. Zero points in the Dallas series. One point in the Canucks series.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Thanked cause this is an effin classic. I can actually HEAR Mr Horse. Also I agree. No f^%king thank you.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why do you keep saying this? It has been stated many times that the 2nd round comp window starts at $2.9M. No need whatsoever to offer $4M - complete straw man.

Some posters were saying the Flames should offer the maximum salary for a 2nd-round pick, which is $4.5 million. That's not a straw man.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

You just realllllly like Holloway. No way I’d take him over Coronato. I don’t think he even played that well in playoffs. Two of his goals and another point came in the blowout game. Zero points the rest of the last round. Zero points in the Dallas series. One point in the Canucks series.

I really don't think Coronato can make an impact. Plays timid and small. Happy to be proven wrong. Please prove me wrong Matt!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Martin St. Louis had 4 goals in 69 games playing on the Flames 3rd line at age 24. Everyone on Calgary Puck was happy when we let that grinder walk.

There are more examples of slow starters not working out than the other way around.

If it was a question of just acquiring Holloway to give him a shot, I would be fine with that, depending on the acquisition cost of course. But I wouldn't want the baggage that comes with swiping a player with an offer sheet. That baggage being giving them an inflated salary, and possibly an even more inflated qualifying offer after the offer sheet contract expires, plus the wrath of the other team - which in this case will become pretty personal.

You have to look at it this way, when the Flames rebuild is coming to it's conclusion in 3-5-ish years, we could be having some guys like Parekh, Gridin, Mews, Wolf, Coronato, Honzek, and whoever our multiple first rounders are next season, coming off contracts and being eligible for offer sheets. This will also be at a time that McDavid-less and Draisaitl-less Oilers will likely have cap space and be rebuilding.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Some posters were saying the Flames should offer the maximum salary for a 2nd-round pick, which is $4.5 million. That's not a straw man.

And others have explained that that wouldn't be necessary. Yet you continue to use that as the number to rebut.

[Locke]

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

You can surely get him for $3M. He's got hands, speed, playoff experience and age 22.