[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The story doesn’t make much sense. Why would Washington tamper to get a guy at Kylington’s level? At 4 years, no less. And while I can understand the Flames being miffed that they had spoken to another team prior to UFA, why would there be hurt feelings on Kylington’s part if the Flames said “gee, no we can’t match that offer, you should sign it”.

Yeah, it’s hard to imagine a team identifying Kylington as their plan A and then moving on to Chychrun when that didn’t pan out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Disagree.

Yeah you can bury 1M in the A, but it literally costs you 1M for guy in the A.

Other guys will be 200-300 K max....those are real dollars the team has to think about.

Correct. The Calgary owners are not like Toronto and others that will gladly spend excess dollars if it helps the team. Calgary will spend to the cap, but they don't like to spend more than that unless absolutely required. Signing deals where the fallback position may well be "burying it in the minors" is not something they will do lightly.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correct. The Calgary owners are not like Toronto and others that will gladly spend excess dollars if it helps the team. Calgary will spend to the cap, but they don't like to spend more than that unless absolutely required. Signing deals where the fallback position may well be "burying it in the minors" is not something they will do lightly.

What is this based on? This is a team that has had several buyouts, retained cap and is paying a coach $3M a year NOT to coach this team.

[Roof-Daddy]

I love CC's "here is our best offer, take it or leave it stance" so far.

Especially when he holds the line and trades them when they won't sign then these players continually go out into the market and get reportedly less money than if they'd taken the Flames offer.

This hardline stance will work much better for retaining guys when the team is actually good again, and they have the new arena and high end player facilities as well. It will also help if they continue to add picks instead of subtracting them and as a result always have good propects coming up through the system to replace any players who price themselves out of CGY.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correct. The Calgary owners are not like Toronto and others that will gladly spend excess dollars if it helps the team. Calgary will spend to the cap, but they don't like to spend more than that unless absolutely required. Signing deals where the fallback position may well be "burying it in the minors" is not something they will do lightly.

If you’re signing someone to a 4 year deal where you’re thinking ‘we can bury this in the ahl if need be’ then you shouldn’t be singing them to a 4 year deal.

It’s not about owners accepting to pay up in this case, it’s more that the rationale screams ‘we shouldn’t really be signing this guy’

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is this based on? This is a team that has had several buyouts, retained cap and is paying a coach $3M a year NOT to coach this team.

I suspect the Flames/CSEC play the "is this the smartest way to spend this money?" game every year - it likely contributed to the Heat becoming the Wranglers - but historically they haven't shied away from spending money on the hockey side of things.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What is this based on? This is a team that has had several buyouts, retained cap and is paying a coach $3M a year NOT to coach this team.

Yeah, I think a lot of the remaining doubts about the ownership's willingness to rebuild and retain should be gone.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correct. The Calgary owners are not like Toronto and others that will gladly spend excess dollars if it helps the team. Calgary will spend to the cap, but they don't like to spend more than that unless absolutely required. Signing deals where the fallback position may well be "burying it in the minors" is not something they will do lightly.

BTW, it should be noted as to if what you said is true (and btw I believe it's at least directionally correct) about Calgary vs. Toronto owners, that people also accept the reasons why that would be the case.

Not actually saying you were implying this with you post Cobra at all, but I think there is so much "complaining" about our owner (who has you mentioned spends to the cap) and how we need an owner that will be less frugal. People need to accept the realities between Toronto and Calgary as businesses simply aren't the same. Toronto can afford to "waste" real money so to speak. The profit and revenue generated by the Leafs is so much higher. Simply stated, it's a far more profitable business, so they have the money to spend.

And that's not because it's "better" run business. It's based on the simple fact, that they have an NHL monopoly (that's topic for another day) in the largest hockey market in the world. ~6.4M people in the GTA, not to mention the rest of the Leafs Ontario fan base to generate revenue off of. That's 50% more people in the GTA than all of AB, that splits the NHL market into 2 teams.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

I’m still convinced his agent is giving him bad advice, but as others have mentioned it’s his call at the end of the day. This seems like such an odd holdout for a contract given who he is a player and what he’s accomplished in the league (which hasn’t been much outside of a nice run with Tanev). You would hope he surrounds himself with people who have common sense but that seems to be lacking at least right now.

I'm not sure how anyone puts this on JP Barry. Look at his roster of clients, and he has no problem signing short-term show-me contracts. They're all over his client list, aside from his big fish.

If anything, Barry would've been smart enough to have his client sign BEFORE the UFA date began, if there was a reasonable offer on the table. So, based on history and let's-just-say unorthodox mentality of the player, it doesn't fit to lay this squarely on Barry. All signs point to OK himself.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correct. The Calgary owners are not like Toronto and others that will gladly spend excess dollars if it helps the team. Calgary will spend to the cap, but they don't like to spend more than that unless absolutely required. Signing deals where the fallback position may well be "burying it in the minors" is not something they will do lightly.

Incorrect, Calgary owners will gladly spend excess dollars if it helps the team.

[Flamesfan05]

Treliving and his fans created this false image of the owners to blame his failures on. They are not perfect but they let him spend whatever he wanted for the most part

[SuperMatt18]

Flames owners aren't cheap...but also maybe won't do everything they can to win.

Player Salaries: 100% they will spend there.

Coaching: Doesn't seem like they are willing to pay unless their name is Sutter, but have also never been shy to fire coaches and pay them for not coaching.

Team Facilities: Don't think they've invested enough here...ignore the Saddledome for a second...the fact this team doesn't have their own training and practice facility is a bit embarrassing on it's own, especially since it could be leveraged across all their investments (Flames, Hitmen, Wranglers, Stampeders).

So IMO it's a bit of mixed bag but really they've spent to the cap forever, so can't complain too much.

The bigger issue is stuff I've heard about them being pretty suggestive about hockey decisions (an example I heard is that it was Edwards that really pushed to sign Neal once he was still available after day 1 of free agency) but at the same time if I owned the team I'd do the same thing...so I can't fault him lol.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

I'm not sure how anyone puts this on JP Barry. Look at his roster of clients, and he has no problem signing short-term show-me contracts. They're all over his client list, aside from his big fish.

If anything, Barry would've been smart enough to have his client sign BEFORE the UFA date began, if there was a reasonable offer on the table. So, based on history and let's-just-say unorthodox mentality of the player, it doesn't fit to lay this squarely on Barry. All signs point to OK himself.

Ooooh, sounds salacious. Please tell me more about this.

[FBI]

You screwed up Shilly. Fire your agent and we’ll take you back at 1x1.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames owners aren't cheap...but also maybe won't do everything they can to win.

Player Salaries: 100% they will spend there.

Coaching: Doesn't seem like they are willing to pay unless their name is Sutter, but have also never been shy to fire coaches and pay them for not coaching.

Team Facilities: Don't think they've invested enough here...ignore the Saddledome for a second...the fact this team doesn't have their own training and practice facility is a bit embarrassing on it's own, especially since it could be leveraged across all their investments (Flames, Hitmen, Wranglers, Stampeders).

So IMO it's a bit of mixed bag but really they've spent to the cap forever, so can't complain too much.

The bigger issue is stuff I've heard about them being pretty suggestive about hockey decisions (an example I heard is that it was Edwards that really pushed to sign Neal once he was still available after day 1 of free agency) but at the same time if I owned the team I'd do the same thing...so I can't fault him lol.

The coaching part might also be because the coaches didn’t want to come to calgary.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames owners aren't cheap...but also maybe won't do everything they can to win.

Player Salaries: 100% they will spend there.

Coaching: Doesn't seem like they are willing to pay unless their name is Sutter, but have also never been shy to fire coaches and pay them for not coaching.

Team Facilities: Don't think they've invested enough here...ignore the Saddledome for a second...the fact this team doesn't have their own training and practice facility is a bit embarrassing on it's own, especially since it could be leveraged across all their investments (Flames, Hitmen, Wranglers, Stampeders).

So IMO it's a bit of mixed bag but really they've spent to the cap forever, so can't complain too much.

The bigger issue is stuff I've heard about them being pretty suggestive about hockey decisions (an example I heard is that it was Edwards that really pushed to sign Neal once he was still available after day 1 of free agency) but at the same time if I owned the team I'd do the same thing...so I can't fault him lol.

Winsport is world class, not sure why they would need this. Team Canada has chosen it multiple times to host camps when they have a lot of options.

[dino7c]

Flames were kinda obligated to sign OK but now that HE turned them down they are free to do whatever they like. Honestly deep down I think the Flames might be fine with this outcome...there certainly isn't any reason to up the offer. Public opinion is pretty much universally on the Flames side here.

[FlamesAreOne]

I still hope we bring him back.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving and his fans created this false image of the owners to blame his failures on. They are not perfect but they let him spend whatever he wanted for the most part

I agree, they let him spend to the max & paid for many coaches to be fired, trusting it would be the right decision.

Historically though, they have made some brutal/cheap coaching & GM hires but this run, they didnt shy on any spending- cap max, coaches, buyouts, etc.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Winsport is world class, not sure why they would need this. Team Canada has chosen it multiple times to host camps when they have a lot of options.

Still not your own space and unless I'm mistaken I don't think the Flames even leverage it that much outside of prospect camp.

Teams having their own training facility is becoming the norm in professional spots.

Maybe I'm crazy but a facility like this would go a long way to attract free agents and improve player development / recovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVw7XiNTZQ